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HomeMy WebLinkAboutNMountain_526_Hersey_TREE-2019-00060 . j r a STREET TREE REMOVAL PERMIT Planning Division S 1 Winbum Way, Ashland tilt 97520 -ASH l r xSHLA ~ o rC~ 541-488-5305 Fax 541-488-6006 A tree that is located in any public street right-of-way or other public property may not be removed until a Street Tree Removal Permit has been submitted according to the Application Submission Requirements, below, and reviewed and approved by the City of Ashland. An application for street tree removal must demonstrate that the tree is an emergency, hazard, or dead tree as outlined below in the Application Submission Requirements. Application Submission Requirements, An application for a street tree removal permit shall include all of the following information. 1, Application Form and Fee. The application must include the information requested on the Street Tree Removal Permit form provided by the City of Ashland and the permit application fee. Only those property owners of a tot adjoining the street tree location or homeowners' associations responsible for street trees in their development or subdivision may apply to remove an adjoining street tree. If a tree is located in front of more than one property, each property owner or homeowners' association official must sign the Street Tree Removal Permit form. 2. Site Plan. A site plan of the property drawn to scale, containing the following information, The scale of the site plan must be at least one inch equals 50 feet or larger. a, North arrow and scale, b. Property boundaries including dimensions of all lot tines and driveway locations. c, Location and width of all public streets„ planting strips, and sidewalks adjoining the site. d. Size, species, and location of the tree(s) proposed to be removed. 3, Written Statement. A written statement explaining how the proposed street tree removal satisfies one of the following approval criteria. The Community Development director may require additional information to demonstrate that the proposed removal satisfies one of the following approval criteria including; l) a written statement to be prepared by an arborst licensed by ktre State of Oregon Landscape Contractors Board of Construction Contractors Board and certified by the International Society of Arboriculture or American Society of Consulting Arborists; and 2) an International Society of Arboriculture (ISA) Basic Tree Risk Assessment Form to be completed by an arborist. Street Tree Removal Approval Criteria a) Emergency Tree Removal. The tree presents an immediate danger of collapse and represents a dear and present hazard to persons or property. Immediate danger of collapse is defined as a tree that may already be leaning, with the surrounding soil heaving, and/or there is a significant likelihood that the tree will topple or otherwise fail and cause damage before a tree removal permit could be obtained through the non-emergency prooess. b) hazard Tree Removal. The tree presents a dear public safety hazard (i.e.,, likely to fall and injure persons or property) or a foreseeable danger of property damage to an existing structure or facility, and such hazard or danger cannot reasonably be alleviated by treatment, relocation, or pruning. A hazard tree is a tree that is physically damaged to the degree that it is dear the tree is likely to fall and injure persons or property. A hazard tree may also include a tree that is located within a public right-of=way and is causing damage to existing public or private facilities or services and such facilities or services cannot be relocated. c) Dead Tree. The tree is dead. A dead tree is lifeless. Such evidence of lifelessness may include unseasonable lack of foliage, brittle dry branches, or lack of any growth during the growing season. Replacement and Stump Removal. Applicants for approved Street Tree Removal Permits are required to remove any stumps and replace the tree. Stump removal and replacements for approved street tree removals shall meet the following requirements. 1. Any street tree removed shall be removed at ground level or lower. If a tree is removed below ground level, the surface must be restored to finish grade and any regrowth which occurs shall be promptly removed. 2. All street trees shall be an appropriate species selected from and planted according to the City of Ashland Recommended Street Tree List. 3. The minimum size for a replacement tree is eight feet in height or one inch in caliper measured at 12 inches above the root crown. 4. Applicants for a Street Tree Removal Permit may be required to replace the tree or trees being removed with a tree or trees of comparable value. 5. If a street tree is determined to be dead or dying, then the replacement need be no larger than the minimize size described above. Type of Tree(s) _ r , Approximate Diameter at Height _ Canopy Location of Tree Reason for Request w,1",f'rt,,ay s ~ Are there underground utility lines and/or overhead power lines i nt? if yes, please list which lines are present is there sidewalk damage? If yes, has a Public Works permit been issued? OVER 1/ Y;'AII±ma+lucaraV)a➢~1cFA5hvexz l➢ec dTmncae a,ll vnriq Anise.9 T71(.dnr 1 1 DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY Street Address - Assessor's Map No. 391 E Tax Lot(s) Zoning _ Comp Plan designation PROPERTY OWNEP Name Phone E-Mail r Address. City = Zip Name Phone E-Mail Address city Zip PROFESSIONAL PERFORMING THE TREE REMOVAL e.. tree service) Name Address_ ~ . City Zip ARBORIST, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, OTHER Title Name Phone E-Mail Address c"sty Zip Title Name Phone E-Mail Address city Zip As owner of the property involved in this request, t have read and understood the complete application and its consequences to me as a property owner. I hereby certify that the statements and information contained in this application are in all respects, true and correct i further understand that if this request is subsequently contested, the burden wilt be on me to establish: 1) that I produced sufficient factual evidence to support this request, 2) that the information contained in this application are adequate, and further 3) that all trees, structures, or improvements are propedy located on the ground. JA 15 1 Property Owner's Signature ;squired) Date STAFF DECISION: Permit is hereby (cirde one): Approved Approved With Conditions Denied Conditions of Approval ~i Is the tree 18" d.b.h or gre tet? M tOµ ❑ YES Has the City Administrator has been notified: 0110 ❑ YES Coa4°unity development DirectoriPlanning Manager Signature gate c u~~<„ecuca ,us-~.,~6es~an r~En~a~„ ~p rarmrr,Jta+u ~ zo ie ~nE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TREE2019-00060 In accordance with Ashland Municipal Code (AMC) 18.16, applicants for approved Street Tree Removal Permits are required to remove any stumps and replace the tree. Stump removal and replacements for approved street tree removals shall meet the following requirements. 1. Any street tree removed shall be removed at ground level or lower. If a tree is removed below ground level, the surface must be restored to finish grade and any regrowth which occurs shall be promptly removed. 2. The tree must be replaced and the minimum size for a replacement tree is eight feet in height or one inch in caliper measured at 12 inches above the root crown. 3. All street trees shall be an appropriate species selected from and planted according to the City of Ashland Recommended Street Tree List. 4. That the applicant shall continue to attempt to preserve the tree unless it becomes absolutely necessary to remove it. 5. That should it become necessary to remove the tree that it shall be mitigated in consultation with Mike Oxidine. STREET TREE REMOVAL PERMIT rift Planning Division 51 Winbnm Way, Ashland OR 97520 ASHLAND i r Y o r 541-488-5305 Fax 541.488-6006 A tree that is located in any public street right-of-way or other public property may not be removed unfit a Street Tree Removal Permit h; ueen submitted according to the Application Submission Requirements, below, and reviewed and approved by the City of Ashland. An application for street tree removal must demonstrate that the tree is an emergency, hazard, or dead tree as outlined below in the Application Submission Requirements. Application Submission Requirements, An application for a street tree removal permit shall include all of the following information. 1, Application Form and Fee. The application must include the information requested on the Skeet Tree Removal Permit form provided by the City of Ashland and the permit application fee. Only those property owners of a lot adjoining the street tree location or homeowners' associations responsible for street trees in their development or subdivision may apply to remove an adjoining street tree. If a tree is located in front of more than one property, each property ovrner or homeowners" association official must sign the Street Tree Removal Permit form. . Site Plan. A site plan of the property drawn to scale containing the following informatiion. The scale of the site plan must be at Least one inch equals 50 feet or larger. a. North arrow and scale. b, Property boundaries including dimensions of all lot lines and driveway locations. c. Location and width of all public streets, planting strips, and sidewalks adjoining the site. d. Size, species, and location of the tree(s) proposed to be removed. 3, Written Statement, Awritten statement explaining how the proposed street tree removal satisfies one of the foilowing approval criteria. The Community Development director may require additional information to demonstrate that the proposed removal satisfies one of the following approval criteria including: 1) a written statement to be prepared by an arborist licensed by the State of Oregon Landscape Contractors Board of Construction Contractors Board and certified by the International Society of Arboriculture or American Society of Consulting Arborists; and 2) an International Society of Arboriculture (ISA) Basic Tree Risk Assessment Form to be completed by an arbcxist. Street Tree Removal' Approval Criteria a) Emergency Tree Removal. The tree presents an immediate danger of collapse and represents a clear and present hazard to persons or property. Immediate danger of collapse is defined as a tree that may already be leaning, with the surrounding soil heaving, and/or there is a slgnifieant likelihood that the tree will topple or otherwise fail and cause damage before a tree removal permit could be obtained through the non-emergency process. b) Hazard Tree Removal. The tree presents a clear public safety hazard (i.e., likely to fall and injure persons or property) or a foreseeable danger of property damage to an existing structure or facility, and such hazard or danger cannot reasonably be alleviated by treatment, relocation, or pruning. A hazard tree is a tree that is physically damaged to the degree that it is clear the tree is likely to fall and injure persons or property. A hazard tree may also include a tree that is located within a public right-of-way and is causing damage to existing public or private facilities or services and such facilities or services cannot be relocated. c) Dead Tree. The tree is dead. A dead tree is lifeless. Such evidence of lifelessness may include unseasonable lack of foliage, brittle dry branches, or lack of any growth during the growing season. Replacement and Stump Removal. Applicants for approved Street Tree Removal Permits are required to remove any stumps and replace the tree, Stump removal and replacements for approved street tree removals shall meet the following requirements. 1. Any street tree removed shall be removed at ground level or lower. If a tree is removed below ground level, the surface must be restored to finish grade and any regrowth which occurs shall be promptly removed. 2. Ail street trees shall be an appropriate species selected from and planted according to the City of Ashland Recommended Street Tree List. 3. The minimum size for a replacement tree is eight feet in height or one inch in caliper measured at 12 inches above the root crown. 4. Applicants for a Street Tree Removal Permit may be required to replace the tree or trees being removed with a tree or trees of comparable value. 5. If a street tree is determined to be dead or dying, then the replacement need be no larger than the minimize size described above. Type of Tree(s) Ai~CIDQOU S JIMPe' 7 eCF , Approximate Diameter at breast height r~ f Height lz~i F Canopy & Location of Tree SO& N', Mb1V;VaAVtF Reason for Request e!1_Wr,L„ C7'- WWI 1-k'611 V614'_469' C14 LE llv` 4-r/0,N ' t r 1,9'ew -r--61Z rYllr JtL17,YJV "p 1 r 55 Are there underground utility lines and/or overhead power lines present? ~VeS' If yes, please list which lines are present Vlx / +r- nX Is there sidewalk damage? - IV14 If yes, has a Public Works permit been issued?. A1114 OVER /1 C:ll7sc05UGCbsm',~exS.trpM1Ska<e 7r,,e Rembral Prmui;Revired 1A'IG,lee DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY Street Address -2( Al. &-a/1tlr r~P AEf~ @ I~~Y?~~Y ~5~T1~~T Assessor's Map No. 39,1 E Tax Lot(s) Zoning Comp Plan Designation PROPERTY OWNER . TI•U- Name (f t -tV n~v ASZ{WIV9 AC 0-4 Phone 5V/-KW-.23,W E-Mail OA-- T la4 Al 5 Address 1t/• mi • City AtW/XA6 Zip '17S2 6 Name 4e Phone E-Mail Address City Zip PROFESSIONAL PERFORMING THE TREE REMOVAL (e.g„ tree service) Name C'i fu ,6`iC 95HE(MXf e AEe7 7- C1_kV12,0Jt<C9 of W_,e rte Address 90 - ~G• _ f i city Zip ARBORIST, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, OTHER Title Name Phone E-Mail Address City Zip Title Name Phone E-Mail Address City Zip As owner of the property Involved in this request, 1 have read and understood the complete application and its consequences to me as a property 0' w. 1 hereby certify that the statements and information contained In this application are in ail respects, true and correct t further understand that if this request is subsequentiy contested, the burden 1a7i he on me to establish: 1) that 1 produced sufficient factual evidence to support this request; 2) that the information contained in this application are adequate; and further 3) that all trees, structures, orimprvvements are property located on the ground. Property Owner's Signa r equired) Date STAFF DECISION: Permit is hereby (cirde one):. i Approved . Approved with Conditions Denied Conditions of Approval . r Is tie tree 18" d,6.Im or gre r? LJ tl0 I] YES Has the City Administrator has been notified: C~ NO, ~Xll Co urilty Developinent'DirectorlPlanning Manager 5ignature.. Date c:SVx.sUv:eoSDcs'sio?lStn.lTer Armorer p.mir_Arvucd 2014 dx ASHLAND TREE COMMISSION PLANNING APPLICATION REVIEW COMMENT SHEET May 9, 2019 PLANNING ACTION: TREE-2019-00060 SUBJECT PROPERTY: 526 N Mountain Ave APPLICANT: Electric Department/ Dave Tygerson DESCRIPTION: A request for a Street Tree Removal Permit to remove one trees from the Park Row at the intersection of North Mountain Ave and Hersey St. The Electric Department will be installing a high voltage primary cable storage vault. The vault location is required to safely access and maintain underground power circuits originating from the Mt. Ave Substation. The vault is needed to accommodate the reconstruction pavement upgrades currently being done by the city of Ashland Public Works Department. The existing tree is becoming a conflict with overhead powerlines, and the Electric Department proposes to mitigate with a powerline friendly tree after the vault is installed. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION: Single-Family Residential; ZONING: R-1-5; ASSESSOR'S MAP: 39 1 E 04 DD; TAX LOT: 400 (Adjacent to) Following a presentation by staff the applicant representing the electrical department summarized the reason and status of the project. There is a chance that the tree may not need to be removed, but the electric department still wants permission should its removal be required. the Tree Commission deliberated and moved to approve the application subject to the following: 1. That the applicant shall continue to attempt to preserve the tree unless it becomes absolutely necessary to remove it. 2. That should it become necessary to remove the tree that it shall be mitigated in consultation with Mike Oxidine. Department of Community Development Tel: 5411188-5350 CITY OF 51 an Way Fax: 541-552-2050 -AS H LA N D Ashland, , Oregon 97520 TTY: 800-735-2900 iv%v%v.aslrtand.onus City of Ashland Community Development Department PERMIT NUMBER 51 Winburn Way TREE-2019-00060 Ashland, OR 97520 Apply Date: 4!16!2019 Telephone: 541-488-5305 Inspection Line: 541-552-2080 Plan Type: Tree Removal Work Class: Tree Removal Permit Review Ma & Tax Lot Property Address 391E04DD400 owner Information Applicant Information Owner: City of Ashland Applicant: City of Ashland Owner 20 E Main St Applicant 90 N Mountain Av Address: Ashland, OR 97520 Address: Ashland, OR 97520 Phone: (541) 552-2414 Phone: - Project Description Tree removal in park row L Hersey & N Mt Ave Fees Fee Description: Amount: Tree RemovalNerification Fee (Type 1) $30.00 Applicant: Date: ITotal 'Fees: $30.00 CITE' OF ASHLAND City of Ashland 51 Winburn Way Ashland, or 97520 RE: Tree Removal Community Development Planning Department: The City of Ashland Electric Department is requesting the removal of (1) one tree, located in the City of Ashland's Park Row at the intersection of North Mountain Ave. and Hersey Street. The Electric Department will be installing a high voltage primary cable storage vault. l The vault location is required to safely access and maintain underground power circuits originating from Mt. Ave Substation. Our vault is also needed to accommodate the reconstruction pavement upgrades t currently being done by the city of Ashland Public Works Department. o Special Note: The existing tree is becoming a conflict with overhead powerlines a well as requiring an aggressive cut back to maintain proper clearances. The Electric Department is glad to replace and replant a powerline friendly tree after the vault is installed and the underground excavation is completed. Sincerely, Dave Tygerson General Foremen i Electric Department City of Ashland t a qi PFI+lI~G GY, G-GY[LEC?A?eF: k i STREET TREE REMOVAL PERMIT Planning Division MY r v o r 51 Wrnbum Way, Ashland OR 97520 j -ASHLAND 541.488-5305 Pax 541-488-6006 A tree that is located in any public street right-of-way, or other public property may not be removed until a Street Tree Removal Permit has been I submitted according to the Application Submission Requirements, below, and reviewed and approved by the City of Ashland. An application for street tree removal must demonstrate that the free is an emergency, hazard, or dead tree as outlined below in the Application Submission Requirements. Application Submission Requirements. An application for a street tree removal permit shall include all of the following information, I Application Form and Fee. The app€icalion must include the information requested on the Street Tree Removal Permit farm provided by j the City of Ashland and the permit application fee. Only those property owners of a lot adjoining the street tree location or homeovrnere I associations responsible for street trees in their development or subdivision may apply to remove an ad;oining street tree. If a tree is located in front of more than one property, each property owner or homeowners' association official must sign the Street Tree Removal Permit tam. r 2. Site Plan. A slle plan of the property drawn to scale containing the following information. The scale of the site plan must be at least one inch equals 50 feet or larger. € a. North arrow and scale, b. Property boundaries including dimensions of all lot lines and driveway location& c. Location and width of ail public streets, planting strips, and sidewalks adjoining the site. d. Size, species, and location of the tree(s) proposed to be removed. I 3. Written Statement. Awr tten statement explaining how the proposed street tree removal satisfies one of the following approval criteria The Community Development director may require additional information to demonstrate that the proposed removal satisfies one of the following approval criteria including: l) a written statement to be prepared by an arborist licensed by the State of Oregon Landscape Contractors Board of Construo€ion Contractors Board and certified by the International Society of Arboriculture or American Society of i Consulting Arborists, and 2) an International Society of Arboriculture (ISA) Basic Tree Risk Assessment Form to N completed by an artrarjst. Street Tree Removal Approval Criteria a) Emergency Tree Removal. The tree presents an immediate danger of collapse and represents a dear and present hazard to parsons or property. Immediate danger of collapse is defined as a tree that may already be leaning, with the surrounding sat heaving, and/or there is a significant likelihood that the tree will topple or otherwise fail and cause damage before a tree removal permit could be i obtained through the non-emergency process. i b) Hazard Tree Removal. The tree presents a dear public safety hazard (i.e., likely to fall and injure persons or property) of a foreseeable danger of property damage to an existing structure or facility, and such hazard or danger cannot reasonably be alleviated by (reatment, relocation, or pruning. A hazard tree is a tree that is physically damaged to the degree that it is dear the tree is likely to fall and injure persons or property. A hazard tree may also include a tree that is located within a public right-of-way and is causing damage to existing public or private facilities or services and such facilities or services cannot be relocated, c r c) Bead Tres. The free is dead. A dead tree is lifeless. Such evidence of lifelessness may include unseasonable lack of foliage, brittle dry branches, or lack of any growth during the growing season. f Replacement and Stump Removal. Applicants for approved Street Tree Removal Permits are required to remove any stumps and replace the tree. j Stump removal and replacements for approved street tree removals shall meet the following requirements, 1. Any street tree removed shalt be removed at ground level or lower. If a free is removed below ground level, the surface must be restored to finish grade and any regrowth whldr occurs shall be promptly removed, ' 3. 2. All street trees shall be an appropriate species selected from and planted according to the City of Ashland Recommended Street Tree List. t 3. The minimum size for a replacement tree is eight feet in height or one inch in caliper measured at 12 inches above the root sawn. 4. Applicants for a Street Tree Removal Permit may be required to replace the tree or trees being removed with a tree or trees of comparable value. f I 5. If a street tree is determined to be dead or dying, then the replacement reed be no larger than the minimize size described above, I' i Type of Tree(s) 01---Q1DQ U,5 7-2t~i5 (i)NAA) ) Approximate Nameler at breast beight r Heigbf I~ Canopy r Location of Tree -506 N-, In E Reason forRequest _ C7" 1/{tf ![,H tl[s~ti~G CpgitG' llt{y~w-lbm RI'[4ut/I D ,rL ~ytLRrNTt~tla VIII ssV,,s "AGM A a l~ Are there underground utility lines and/or overhead pourer lines present? \/e If yes, please list which limas are present e / 5AP /rU s is there sidewalk damage? If yes, has a Public Works permit been issued? y114 OVER ►Y r:u,k,sAY+r.,v1<,4t.~~srs,c7,«a~,,tr<~,;; a.vwezmca.< l DESCRIPTION OF PROPERTY Street Address Assessor's Map No. 391E Tax Lot(s) Zoning Comp Plan Designation PROPERTY OWNER r~ r~ Name w. P~ r & Phone E-Mail AV"I l" (eo !)5Sl J40&d F. US Address o • t" J t. /,I o City t "Al, Zip Name f a fd~ r ~ i : Phone _ E-Mail Address City Zip PROFESSIONAL PERFORMING THE TREE REMOVAL fe,st., tree seratcet lfr411 _C~,"L f°l>i~ !`ist✓ Name -cite Address o . "a 7~ w ci t - Zip ARDORIST LANDSCAPEARCHITECT, OTHER Title Name Phone E-Mail Address Zip 1 l Title Name --Phone E-Mail Address _ City Zip As ovrner of the propertyinvolv6d in this requesf, t have read' and understood the complete application and is consequences to rare as a property owner 1 hereby certify that dho statements and infarnation Confained in this applcation are in as respects, true and correct. I fudtw understand that it this request is subsequently contested, the turrden w1l be on me to establish: 4) that lproducedsullicientlaetuaieWdencetosupport tftrequesf, 2) that the info,magon contained In this application are adequate; and tudher 3) that al trees, stnrctures, or improvements are property located an the ground" A _1S -1 Protnerty Owner's Signa r equirea) Date t STAFF DECISION: Permit is heteby (circle oae): Approved Approved with Conditions Denied Conditions of Approval Is the tree 18' d,h,h or greater? i NO ❑ YES Has the City Administrator has been notified: ❑ NO El YES Community Development Director/Planning Manager Signature Date e l c ilrsaxhier~ra"draliu +Ai+x~~. 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Tree Commission will review it May 2 (two weeks from Thursday), and once they have and given their sign off, we'll be able to approve it. I have everything I need for the application, thanks for sending. And if one of you are able to attend the meeting to answer questions, that's always helpful too. Thanks, Fotini Kaufman Associate Planner City of Ashland, Community Development Department 51 Winburn Way, Ashland, OR 97520 541.552.2044 Tel 800.735.2900 TTY 541552.2050 Fax This email transmission is official business of the City of Ashland, and it is subject to Oregon Public Records Law for disclosure and retention. If you have received this message in error, please contact me at (541) 552-2044. Thank you. From: Dave Tygerson Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 3:48 PM To: Fotini Kaufman Cc: Thomas McBartlett III Subject: Tree removal request: Good afternoon Fotini, Please see attached information for tree removal request by the Electric Department. Once again I apologize for the short notice, unfortunately time frame is an issue due to project completion time line with Contractor. Let me know if you need any more information and thanks again for the help. Regards, Dave Tygerson I