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ASHLAND HISTORIC COMMISSION
Minutes
May 3, 2000
CALL TO ORDER
At 7:37 p.m., Chairperson Jim Lewis called the meeting to order at the Hillah Temple. Members present were Terry Skibby, Jim
Lewis, Dale Shostrom, Vava Bailey, Keith Chambers, Kay Maser, Jay Leighton and Gary Foll. Also present were Associate
Planner Mark Knox, Secretary Sonja Akerman and City Council Liaison Cameron Hanson. Member Joan Steele was unable to
attend the meeting.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Chambers moved and Bailey seconded to approve the minutes of the April 5, 2000 meeting as submitted. The motion was
unanimously passed.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Planning Action 2000-046
Conditional Use Permit and Site Review
407 North Main Street
Pat Tellini
Knox reported this request is to convert an existing second unit on this property to a one-unit traveler’s’ accommodation. The
324 square foot unit is attached to the main house. The living room in the main house will serve as a lobby and sitting room.
Prior to 1984, the residence was a duplex. In April of 1984, approval was granted for a medical office. Entrance to this unit will
be off Wimer Street, as will the access. Three existing parking spaces are located at the rear of the property. There will be no
visible exterior changes. Staff is recommending approval.
After a short discussion, Skibby moved and Chambers seconded to recommend approval of this request to the Hearings Board.
The motion was unanimously passed.
Planning Action 2000-039
Comprehensive Plan Map Amendment, Zone Change, Site Design & Use Review, and Land Use Ordinance Amendment
410 Siskiyou Boulevard – Public Library
City of Ashland
Knox stated this application is the result of about two year’s work. The request involves a Comprehensive Plan Map Amendment
(Multi Family to Downtown Commercial), Zone Change (R-2 to C-1-D), Site Design and Use Review to construct an
approximately 17,000 square foot addition to the existing library, and a request to amend the Land Use Ordinance to reduce the
side yard setback requirement in a commercial zoning district when abutting a residential zoning district. A lot of effort has gone
into this request with respect to historic preservation. Initial discussion and efforts have been to preserve and respect the historic
Carnegie Library.
SERA Architect Peter Meijer said this is the third time the Historic Commission has been presented with the evolving design of
the library addition. The team working on the design has sought Historic Commission comments throughout the process. It is
felt they have an environmentally conscionable design. Meijer then presented a new rendering and described previous
Commission concerns and how they were addressed. There was a concern about the elaborate treatment of the front. SERA
responded to a pediment façade of the Carnegie. The columns were removed and the vertical element was brought through to
the second floor of the addition - the window element also responding to the Carnegie. The window mullions have also been
changed. The base to the new addition is now a foundation pediment, which will be 6 to 12 inches. By doing this, it creates a
plinth for the building to sit upon. A new element is the ADA ramp access to the lower level of the Carnegie which will be the
night entrance. Also, the connecting ramp between the two buildings has been given more substance. Meijer emphasized the
fact that they are tying in the main cornice level of the new addition to the Carnegie. He then showed the members a sample of
metal shingle siding, which is proposed for the upper portion of the new building. The bottom will be stucco. They would like to
paint the buildings the previous color of the Carnegie. Detail of the cornices was also presented. He acknowledged the massing
and form has not changed.
At Knox’s request, Meijer explained the Secretary of Interior Standards as they relate to the Carnegie. Since the library has
been nominated for National Register status with the Downtown Historic District, these standards should be reviewed. The
question that needs to be asked is “Do the components of the new building detract from the historic structure?” The Downtown
Design Standards were also used in the design of the addition (new building). Another component is the compatibility of where
the building is placed on the site.
Skibby had questions about the restoration of the Carnegie and wondered if the State Historic Preservation Office would also
review the plans. Historic Consultant George Kramer said he has been communicating with Deputy Director James Hamrick
throughout the process. Meijer also stated the 1953 addition to the Carnegie will be removed.
Lewis quoted from the Secretary of Interior Standards and the Site Design & Use Standards, then maintained this project does
not meet the standards for either. He then asked about the entrance to the Carnegie. Meijer stated it will be an emergency exit
only. The entrance locations will all be in the new building. Leighton asked about the ramp along Gresham Street, and Meijer
replied it will be for night entrance only. Lewis then asked about parking, which is also an issue with the Historic Commission
because of the impact on the neighborhood. Meijer responded by stating because of the slope and placement of the existing
Carnegie and the new addition, the slope only allows 11 standard parking spaces off the alley and four off Gresham Street. He
also noted there is no off-street parking required with the zone change, but understands the concerns of the neighborhood,
hence the spaces off the alley. At this time, they are not asking for any parking on Siskiyou Boulevard.
Maser asked if there would be a loading zone. Meijer said it will be off the alley. Architect Ray Kistler added with the removal of
the 1953 addition on the Carnegie, it will allow the alley to be widened in that area. Chambers asked if there would be a parking
gain. Knox answered there would be no net gain and that the City is committed to analyze the parking situation six months from
final approval. Lewis maintained the need to look at the impact of the neighborhood. Gresham and Allison Streets will realize a
big impact. Meijer replied the number of visits probably would not increase. Lewis, however, said the library had done a study
that said with the addition of the new building, the usage should increase by 25%.
Skibby asked about the statue in front of the Carnegie. Meijer responded the concrete around it will be removed and the granite
steps will be revealed. Restoration of the statue will come from different funding.
Maser asked for the height of the top ridgeline off the street. Meijer said it is 15-20 feet above Siskiyou Boulevard. The top of
the new building is 55 feet from the sidewalk level. Maser commented it is as high as a four-story building. Meijer said it is more
like a two-story building on top of two stories worth of landscaping. When asked by Skibby about the visibility of the clerestory,
Meijer said it would not be noticeable from the street. Kramer added the Carnegie still remains the visible terminus of the site.
Maser noted the addition will be two and one-half times the size of the Carnegie.
Knox related Staff recognizes there will be impacts. When you look at a large civic structure, there will be issues and impacts,
but there will also be positive elements – social, educational, civic, environmental, historic and even transportation. The
community approved the library expansion bond and the positive impacts outweigh the negative.
Barbara Ryberg, president of Friends of the Library, quoted from two studies regarding the library. One study that was
commissioned by Jackson County in 1992 found all its libraries are below standard. The other, conducted by SOSC students in
1994, indicated library patrons favored keeping the library at its present site in spite of the parking situation by four to one. In
1998, the library board members, library staff, and Friends of the Library studied various business sites for relocation; however,
none met the criteria. By June of 1999, the City Council granted approval to place a bond measure on the ballot. In November
of 1999, Ashland voters approved the measure.
Foll asked if the Friends of the Library was aware a zone change would be necessary to expand the library. Ryberg said they
were not involved with the technical aspect but they were aware a zone change might need to happen. Foll said it was not clear
when the citizens voted that this would be a necessity.
Ashland Librarian Bob Wilson passed out booklets on the history of the library. He said he had been at the library since 1973
and has seen growth and change throughout the years. He stressed the fact that the library can’t afford to wait any longer for
repairs. The building is leaking and the walls are shedding plaster in the basement.
Reference Librarian Amy Blossom give further details about the condition of the library by explaining the damage to materials is
extensive because of water leakage. Also, there is no heat in the 1953 addition of the Carnegie. Living in it is a daily challenge.
The building is in desperate need of help.
Dennis Donahue, 54 Gresham Street, stated he also owns 48 Gresham. He has no problem with the concept of the library
expansion, and he is in favor of the restoration of the Carnegie. He disagrees the new addition preserves the Carnegie as the
premier building on the site. The new building not only overwhelms the Carnegie, it overwhelms the site and the neighborhood.
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His house will lose its entire view of Grizzly. All trees in the alley are to be removed, so he will get not only a big structure but
also no landscaping. He feels the architects just got carried away. He opposes this because is it not proper for the
neighborhood. He also discovered that without the zone change, the large addition couldn’t be built. C-1-D gets away from off-
street parking and height requirements.
Knox clarified C-1-D allows the library to exist as a conditional use. Without the C-1-D designation, the library couldn’t even
expand 10 feet because a non-conforming use cannot be expanded.
Foll commented it appears this site has always been zoned R-2, so why wasn’t it known earlier that a zone change would be
required? Kramer responded that zoning was created in the 1970s. This building predates zoning by 70 years. The zoning line
goes down the middle of the street, which was the typical way of delineating zoning lines at that time. The library was built in
1912 and the building clearly was not residential at that time. When he worked on the National Register nomination for the
Downtown District, Kramer said it was felt that by bringing the library into the Downtown District, it would be bringing the property
back to what it really is.
When asked about the library committee that was appointed to work on library issues, Knox explained the idea was for the
committee to work with design and space issues of the library, not zoning issues.
Charles Ryberg, 373 Vista Street, said he understands the zone change is important, but the average voter looks at the library
on that lot as a library.
Colin Swales, 461 Allison Street, said he disagrees with Kramer on the zone change. There are residences all along Siskiyou
Boulevard in that area. When the library was built, it was literally in the back yard of residences. Under most city zoning
regulations, a Conditional Use Permit allows libraries in residential zones. It is unfortunate Ashland’s Land Use Ordinance does
not address libraries in residential zones, but he feels it does fit in as being a quasi-public building. Swales also stated he had e-
mailed James Hamrick at the State Historic Preservation Office regarding this project. Since Hamrick said he was aware of the
project but had not actually seen elevations of the proposed new building, Swales e-mailed the elevations. Hamrick was
especially concerned about the entrance of the Carnegie being closed off. Swales said he also wrote Barbara Ryberg about this
because he feels it is of the utmost importance and he does not want to see a staircase to nowhere. He then said when he had
previously come before the Historic and Planning Commissions to gain approval of building another residence or office off the
alley, he was told office use would be too much of an impact. He shares the same alley with the library.
Bill Street, 180 Meade Street, said he is a librarian at the middle school and is supporting the library restoration. He wondered if
there are any Carnegie libraries that have been restored where people are not allowed to use the entrance. He feels the
entrance should be preserved as an entrance. Skibby asked for clarification of the entrance closure. Meijer said it could be
reverted back to an entrance in the future.
Skibby questioned the cresting that was removed on the Carnegie. Meijer said they would like to restore it and added they
would like to know when it was removed. He understands it hasn’t been that long since it was removed.
Meijer explained from a design standpoint, the Historic Commission is only one body with input. He also said they cannot
exceed the bond limitation. When they looked at the site, they looked at balance and location. Although existing trees will be
removed, trees will also be planted. Bailey asked what size trees would be replacing the large ones to be removed. Meijer said
they would have at least a two-inch caliper, perhaps more. Meijer went on to say when you look at the model of the two
buildings, it is difficult to tell the Carnegie sticks out twenty feet in front of the new building, so it will always be the prominent
building. He acknowledged the impact on the residential properties. The new building will be higher and it sits on the edge of
the alleyway. A library, however, is not an intensive area for loading zones and the parking will be spaced out. He also
acknowledged the building backs up to the cottage and house owned by Mr. Donahue. The Carnegie will be the children’s
library and there are documented cases of children being abducted; hence the need to close the existing entrance and use it
only for emergency exiting. The zone change will be heard in more detail at the Planning Commission meeting. Meijer related it
is impossible to put an addition on the building without going through the zone change.
Kramer rebutted Swales comments regarding SHPO. He said he has talked to Hamrick about this project, and he did see
renderings prior to the submittal of the current plans. In discussions with Hamrick, Kramer acknowledged he was concerned
about the closure of the Carnegie entrance. The entrance will be kept, although not used. If there ever is a change of mind, this
can revert back to a usable entrance. Hamrick is not thrilled with this, but understands the need for this. When there is an
addition on an historic building, it is always important to recess the new portion. This is consistent with the Secretary of Interior
Standards. There was only one place to put the new addition, and that is what is being presented. The historic structure will be
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restored and there will be a beautiful new structure that will stand on its own. It will be possible to widen the alley by the removal
of the rear addition. This is justified because of its condition. Bailey asked if Kramer was speaking as a private citizen or a paid
consultant. Kramer replied he is a paid consultant but he wanted to go on record that they couldn’t pay him enough to state
something he did not believe in.
Lewis stated that until this application was received, in reality, no one knew what he or she were getting. He reminded the
Commission it would be necessary for the members to advise on the entire package because of the neighborhood impacts.
Skibby asked about the park portion of the grounds and about the marker in this area. Meijer said it would be relocated. Skibby
noted the marker was placed there in 1973, so if it could be fit into another location with a similar setting it would be best.
Skibby then asked about the original entrance doors to the Carnegie. Meijer said they couldn’t be used because of building
codes.
Bailey stated she finds the project difficult to approve without having the main entrance to the Carnegie. This is a primary
historic building. She also said she didn’t know how the new building got so large. While she thinks the changes that have been
made are better, the size still concerns her. She maintained the new building should be scaled down.
Maser said that as a designer, she agrees with Bailey. She also agrees there is a need to expand the library and to renovate the
Carnegie, but the harmony and scale are out of proportion. She is afraid visual historic landmarks will be lost when new
buildings this size are constructed. She wondered who determined the new building would have to be two and one-half times as
large as the Carnegie is. She also questioned the parking. It is great to walk and take the bus, but it is important to look at this
issue realistically. For many, it is impossible to not drive to the library. Also, during cold and rainy weather, even those who
often walk will drive.
Shostrom expressed his appreciation for the architects in the design of the building and the incorporation of Historic Commission
concerns. He also commented the process should be a model for other large projects. He still has a few design comments,
however. He does not feel the new building is historical compatible with regard to the windows, openings and siding. One
criterion of the Site Design Standards is to not have a visually glazed design. This is a fairly glassy building. It is a great design
for skylights and lighting, however. Because of its size, he feels the base should be more substantial than 6 to 12 inches. It
should be at least in the two to three foot range. He commented some of the quality of detail has been lost with the removal of
the columns. Nevertheless, he added this will be a beautiful building and will stand alone.
Chambers asked from the planning side if there is really any merit to the need for the zone change. Knox stated it is needed.
Meijer added an addition this size cannot happen in a residential zone. It would be incompatible in the current zone. Chambers
said that while he personally would prefer the addition be smaller in bulk and scale, an issue that has to be faced is whether it is
possible to step back, or is this application process now beyond that. He said it is clear to Ashland residents the library needs to
stay where it is currently located. On the whole, he feels the new building is reasonably compatible with the Carnegie and will
certainly provide a major improvement in usability. He also feels the burden of proof has been met overall.
Lewis stated he has concerns in that the design of the new building overpowers the Carnegie. Side yard additions of this size
are not recommended and if built, this will make the Carnegie ancillary to the site. He also has a concern with the Carnegie
entrance being closed off. As far as the neighborhood is concerned, the reality is that it will have a negative effect. There has
been no traffic study. This is a car society and there is a need to be concerned about this. The library has a considerable affect
on the neighborhood now. The design is not compatible with a residential neighborhood, especially the metal siding. Lewis
asserted Craig Stone, who drew up the findings for the City, did not think the library would fit into the downtown zone. The
commercial zone will not protect the Carnegie. This side of Siskiyou Boulevard is mostly residential all the way to the university.
Right now, the library fits into the neighborhood. If the current zoning is maintained, protection of the Carnegie building and the
neighborhood will be maintained. Also on the negative side are the loss of mature trees and the parklike nature of the site. The
stone wall will also be lost. Lewis said he has thought about this a lot and he just doesn’t think it is a good thing. He has been
on the Historic Commission a long time and he feels the Commission should be consistent in making decisions for all
applications. The City should be held to its own criteria and he feels the criteria have not been met for approval. The
Commission, after all, is here to protect historic resources. This is a neighborhood library and the citizens should realize they
can’t do everything with it they want.
Leighton said her observation is from a residential point of view with the metal back wall and the large mass which will be up
against they alley. Having driven to the library many times, she feels the alleyway is not the place to increase use. This will
affect the residential area. Also, the loss of trees is significant, as is the parklike quality. The existing trees are unique to that
site and she would prefer not to get a homogenous look. The model is not the same as the revisions that have been made, but
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from what she can see, it looks as though the windows are coming straight out of the ground. Also, she does not think the 6 to
12 inch base is significant enough.
Foll related he has tried to analyze the document that was presented. He has seen the changes and feels the architects have
done a good job. He doesn’t think the Carnegie will be destroyed or diminished. He likes what has been done with the proposed
greenery in front of the new building. It is a very large building, but the City needs this. In determining the size of the new
building, the projected population was considered. People voted for the expansion at this site. The only problem he sees is that
the zoning should have been changed first. He thinks this is what the people want.
Knox stated that from the standpoint of the staff, many meetings have been held and a significant amount of money has been
spent on this project. He doesn’t think there has been a more comprehensive process for any project. The size of the new
building is the size that is needed for this community. The preservation of the Carnegie building has been a primary focus from
the beginning.
Skibby agreed the size has been determined by the space that is needed. To scale down would not work. This location is right
next to downtown and public meetings have already been held. The Carnegie needs upgrading and this is a chance to preserve
it. Lewis argued he thinks this would be a sacrifice for the neighborhood and the Carnegie. Skibby said there is a strong public
need.
Leighton asked if the stone wall could be carefully removed and relocated since this an element of historic qualify on the site.
Meijer said they will use the wall components and incorporate them elsewhere.
Chambers stated everyone present can see there are significant impacts, but there is always give and take on projects such as
this. He would personally like to see the new building a bit smaller, but to be responsible to Ashland residents, he thinks the
Commission should realize this will be a nice functional building. Overall, it will be a positive gain for the City and he is happy it
can be done on the same site.
Shostrom reiterated the size is what is needed. He wondered, however, if many citizens know what the new building will look
like. He also wondered why metal siding is being proposed if the building is supposed to be historically compatible.
Lewis stated the Commission has told people for years that this is not what you do to historic properties. Why should this be
different? Criteria are how historic properties are treated and this does not meet the criteria. Knox asked Lewis to clarify which
criteria he was referring to. Bailey said she knows how she would feel if someone built a zinc sided huge building in front of her
historic house.
Kramer clarified the original roof on the Carnegie was zinc, rear additions are usually not as compatible with the original
buildings., and he feels it is entirely appropriate to blend in the old with the new. He would also like people to be as impassioned
in 2050 about the new building as we are about the Carnegie today. Lewis stated the impacts are not just about the siding but
also on the impact of a residential neighborhood.
Chambers recommended three conditions of approval: 1) the architects look carefully at the metal siding, 2) nothing be changed
on the existing entrance to the Carnegie so it can revert back to a front entrance in the future, and 3) the base be more
substantial rather than just cosmetic. Skibby moved to recommend approval of this application to the Planning Commission with
the previously stated conditions. Foll seconded the motion. With a show of hands, Skibby, Chambers, Foll and Shostrom voted
aye and Bailey, Lewis, Maser and Leighton voted nay.
NEW BUSINESS
House Move from 1941 Siskiyou Boulevard to 150 Manzanita Street
Treg Scott informed the Commission he had bought the house currently located at 1941 Siskiyou Boulevard and he plans to
move it to 150 Manzanita Street. The 1550 square foot house was built in 1866. It will be moved without the addition, but he
plans to build an addition once it has been moved. When the house was last remodeled, its character changed. He would like to
restore the interior more like it was originally. The Commission agreed this house will fit nicely into the neighborhood and will
support Scott in this endeavor.
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At 10:30, with a motion by Chambers and second by Leighton, the Commission unanimously agreed to extend the meeting.
BUILDING PERMITS
Permits reviewed by members of the Historic Commission and issued during the month of April follow:
101 Gresham Street Richard and Debra Barth Interior Remodel
207 Hillcrest Street Gloria Boyd Addition
107 Sixth Street Lynn Ceteras Huerta Porch Screen
155 Hillcrest Street Bill and Lisa Molnar Addition
159 North Main Street Jon and Carmen Reinhardt Addition
258 “A” Street Marquette Frazier Interior Remodel
462 “A” Street Tom Garson Interior Remodel
48 Gresham Street Dennis Donahue Remodel/Dormer Addition
119 Granite Street Gary Rigotti Addition/Remodel
77 Oak Street Raw Elements Sign
559 Scenic Drive Ashland Community Hospital Fnd Sign
20 East Main Street AFN/City of Ashland Sign
90 North Main Street Blue Heron Sign
60 East Main Street b. Ella Sign
23 North Main Street Firefly Sign
OLD BUSINESS
Review Board
Following is the May schedule for the Review Board, which meets every Thursday from 3:00 to at least 3:30 p.m. in the Planning
Department:
th
May 4 Skibby, Bailey, Foll and Lewis
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May 11 Skibby, Leighton and Shostrom
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May 18 Skibby, Steele and Bailey
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May 25 Skibby, Maser and Chambers
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June 1 Skibby, Steele and Maser
Project Assignments for Planning Actions
PA# 96-086 685 “A” Street Lewis
PA# 97-018 661 “B” Street Lewis
PA# 98-039 Holly Street Steele and Lewis
PA# 98-045 122 Church Street Bailey
PA# 98-047 Between 548 & 628 North Main Street Foll
PA# 99-020 525 “A” Street Lewis
PA# 99-062 Van Ness Avenue Foll
PA# 99-102 141 Lithia Way Shostrom
PA# 99-108 340 Oak Street Shostrom
PA #2000-038 361 Scenic Drive Shostrom
PA #2000-039 410 Siskiyou Boulevard Skibby
National Historic Preservation Week
Winners for the awards to be presented on May 19 are as follows: Residential – 625 “B” Street and 132 Fifth Street; Commercial
– 142 East Main Street; Individual – Wally Cannon; Civic – Briscoe School Music Building; Historically Compatible Commercial –
525 “A” Street; and Historically Compatible Residential – 162 and 164 Harrison Street.
MORE NEW BUSINESS
Special Assessment Applications
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The Commission unanimously recommended approval of Special Assessment applications for 925 “B” Street, 125 East Main
Street and 232-242 East Main Street. The J.P. Dodge Building (125 East Main Street) will be undergoing a certified
rehabilitation. The east portion of the Citizen’s Banking and Trust Company Building (232-242 East Main Street) is applying for
its second 15-year special assessment.
Skidmore-Academy District Photo Stamping
Since it was getting so late the Commission will set a time at a later date to help George Kramer stamp the hundreds of photos
that he will be submitting with the nomination of the Skidmore-Academy District to the National Register of Historic Places.
ADJOURNMENT
It was the unanimous decision of the Commission to adjourn the meeting at 11:00 p.m.
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