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Minutes
ad hoc City Hall Advisory Committee
April 26, 2017
Siskiyou Room, 51 Winburn Way 1:30 p.m.
ATTENDANCE
Committee Members: Dichiro, Finklea, Kenefick, Kramer, Miller, Pearce, Richards, Shaw, Thalden
Staff: Fleury, Karns, Kathol, Morrison, O’Meara, Seltzer
Absent: Boldt, Nickels
WELCOME AND INTRODUCTIONS: Karns opened the meeting and thanked committee members for
their time commitment. He added that Committee members were selected due to their diverse backgrounds.
Committee members then introduced themselves and gave a brief background. Karns asked that committee
members keep an open mind and consider the need for the City and what is best for the community as a
whole. The committee will be reviewing the options of rehabilitating, restoring or moving out of the current
City Hall building(s).
REVIEW PURPOSE OF COMMITTEE: The Mayor had asked Dichiro to Chair the committee. Emails
had been sent to committee members prior to the meeting reviewing a number of options to consider for the
project. Karns emphasized that the purpose of the committee is not to discuss the need for a new City Hall
building because that has been determined. The purpose is to review the options and determine the best
option for the community. In addition, the Agenda contained the following Purpose for the committee:
• Identify the best option for improving/replacing City Hall (meets the work space needs through 2031 and
provides reasonable degree of seismic safety for employees)
• Determine the amount needed for the identified option
• Determine whether or not the City should seek voter approval of a General Election Bond (or series of bonds)
to fund the identified option and phase 2 of the Police Station
• If a GO Bond is recommended which election date is recommended
• If a GO Bond is not recommended identify options funding sources
• Provide a recommendation to the Council and the committee’s rational for the recommendation by early
September
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MEETING SCHEDULES
Meetings will occur on the following Wednesdays at 1:30 p.m. - 3:30 p.m. (approximately 9 meetings before
September):
May 10 – tour of City Hall and Winburn Way city buildings
May 24 – possible tour of Civic Center and Police Station
June 6 – possible tour of Lithia/Pioneer site, Elks parking lot site
June 21 – possible tour of Briscoe building
July 5
July 19
August 2
August 16
August 30
CITY HALL LOCATION OPTIONS OVERVIEW: Kathol presented a Summary of City Hall
Replacement Alternatives PowerPoint. Karns reported that one option not mentioned in the presentation but
also a possibility was Briscoe School, which is being used by a number of tenants. There is the potential
option that the City and the Parks Department could partner in the building. The Briscoe facility needs some
deferred maintenance work and there would be a cost to conduct a facilities assessment.
Kathol reported that the project began with a seismic evaluation in 2015 of the current City Hall building,
which determined that the building would not withstand an earthquake. Preliminary options explored
included a seismic retrofit of the current City Hall, which not only has structural issues, but roofing,
plumbing, and electrical issues. Kathol said that it would be more affordable to tear down the current
building and rebuild it. She added that we are fairly well compressed as a City and have a shortage of public
meeting spaces. An architect (ORW) was hired and did a Space Needs Analysis. ORW interviewed with
City leadership to determine departmental needs now and in the future. A lot of qualitative data was
collected. The hard parameters came down to what are the City’s needs 15 years out? Kathol said there are
not enough public conference rooms, not enough storage or employee space. Kenefick asked if the analysis
took space needs into consideration based on today’s needs or needs in the future. Kathol said that most
people affected by this project have a public interface. Being public union employees does not make options
as flexible. Shaw asked if there had been a study on how big an earthquake would affect the City versus
Reeder Dam. City Hall is the most vulnerable building. Shaw said when she was Mayor this was discussed
and asked instead of looking at how much space we need, should we be considering how little space do we
need? Kathol said that the Space Needs Analysis looked at what people’s function was more than what they
needed.
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City Hall currently houses 31 people. Projected staff growth by 2030 for both City Hall and ComDev
buildings would grow from 65 in 2017 to 80 by 2030. Current City Hall square footage is 7745 and the
Space Needs Analysis projected we would need 11,808 square feet in 15 years for City Hall, and 12,544
square feet for the Community Development (ComDev) building (current square footage is 9, 630) for a total
increase in square footage from 17,275 to 24, 352.
A Feasibility Study Evaluated Sites as follows:
1. Consolidate City Hall with four floors and a basement;
2. Build City Hall and ComDev to the right size to our projected needs in 15 years.
3. Consolidate at the ComDev site, which would require some seismic reinforcement.
4. A new building at the Pioneer Parking lot.
Option 1 was eliminated as unfeasible. The 3 remaining options were presented to the City Council and the
Council wanted to see more options, three more were added:
1. Build new at the Civic Center; demolish the existing building and rebuild and consolidate with the
existing Civic Center.
2. Build new at Railroad property.
3. Build new at the Elks parking lot.
Current Options are now:
1. Do a Seismic Retrolift
2. In-kind rebuild
3. Right size rebuild plus Com Dev
4. Expand ComDev and consolidate
5. New at Pioneer Parking
6. New at Civic Center
7. New a Elk’s Parking
8. New at Railroad property
Number 6-8 need professional cost estimates.
Kathol then presented cost estimates for each of the eight options, which ranged from about $4 million to
$20 million. Cost estimates were in 2021 dollars, or 5.5% per year. The estimates included hard and soft
costs, moving/rental space, contractor’s contingency, prevailing wage and a photovoltaic system. Kathol then
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presented a comparison of thirteen alternatives and how they provide for the City’s space needs, provide for
centralized services, provide off-street parking, provide the potential to increase public parking, retain the
Plaza presence, preserve the historic façade, eliminate temporary staff relocations, are above the Hosler Dam
inundation zone, LEED potential not limited by existing infrastructure, and construction that would not limit
downtown tourism – plus a 2021 estimated cost for each alternative. The charts will be uploaded to the
committee’s URL site on the City website.
It was explained that the Helman heirs will need to be contacted to negotiate the current deed drawn up by
the Helmans years ago. Kathol thought that if the City could file an action to a quiet title and remove
diversionary interest then we had more flexibility. Kenefick asked if someone from ORW would be attending
the committee meetings, and it was explained that OCW may want to bid on a project in the future, so would
not be attending.
Kramer reported that he had attended the City Council on the first options presented and his impression was
that the project started with a roof replacement and then expanded and this made the Council uncomfortable.
He said that he had a lot of questions about the square footage projections needed. He felt that it would be
beneficial for the committee and the City to have a discussion. Space needs are projected to double from
today. Kenefick did not think we would need the extra space because Gen Ys do not need as much space.
Otherwise, we will have to re-do things again in 15 years because the workforce will change. Kathol said we
do assume that the conference rooms will be adjustable. A 15 year planning window is as far as you can look
forward realistically. Kenefick added that flexibility is a key issue for any building. Predictable and
unpredictable needs have to be considered. Thalden said that he had reviewed the ORW study and thought it
projected to today’s needs. He agreed we needed to look at future needs and we need to look at the City as a
whole and not just ourselves as a single unit. We should look at the possibility of utilizing and cross-
purposing some of the City’s spaces. The City of Ashland uses spaces throughout the City, but there is a
scheduling problem with other entities vying for the spaces. Kathol said City Hall will have 39 full-time
positions in 15 years and has 31 currently.
PROPOSED NEXT STEPS: Seltzer said the next meeting is May 10. She will post the following on the
City’s URL website for the committee: Kathol’s PowerPoint presentation, the City Hall deed, the ORW
report, and one page from the citizen survey done in 2014. There is also a memo from the Police Chief on
Phase one and Phase two of the Police Station on the site. (The City’s home page has Hot Topics with a URL
link for the committee). Karns said that he would bring pictures of the original City Hall building to the next
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meeting. Future Agenda topics will include the background on the City Hall Deed Restriction, GO Bond
impact on property taxes over 20 years and the Police Station Phase 2.
PUBLIC INPUT: Marilyn Briggs said that she has been in Ashland since 1961. She is a student of City
Planning. She was around 23-24 years ago when the City Hall building was discussed. The City Hall should
be on the square or the center of the City. She felt that we could not move City Hall from where it is now and
have a viable City Center. Perpetual use is perpetual use.
Rick Vezie was a member of the original committee and wants to keep City Hall where it is. He said that
when the Helman’s made the agreement, they had vision. He recommended the committee members read the
Helman’s original deed agreement. He wants to maintain the building on the Plaza and develop ideas to use
what we have more effectively. He was in favor of rebuilding the City Hall in its current location.
Shaw said that moving the Ashland Library was originally considered before it was rebuilt. Shaw felt that we
must have anchors at both ends of the town – the Fire Station and the Library at one end and City Hall at the
other end is a viable solution. Shaw added that once government becomes an entity - that is not a good thing.
You need a civic presence in a viable and thriving downtown. She said she could support going to an
initiative.
Kramer said City Hall needs to stay downtown. He did not understand why adding eight people meant
doubling the square footage. He agreed that we needed to address current space needs but he does not believe
the numbers are real and supportable and we need to look at keeping City Hall where it is. He also could
support going to an initiative.
Dichiro said that the committee was there for diversity of viewpoint and we do not need to go to an initiative
at this point. The main concern is that a seismic occurrence would be very destructive and that City services
are key during a disaster.
Dichiro concluded the meeting at 3:10 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Shelly D. Hensarling
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