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From: Alan Sasha Lithman <savitra@earthlink.net>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver-ashland@fs.fed. us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <awdb@aol.com>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/4/037:16AM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Alan Sash a Lithman (savitra@earthlink.net) on Saturday, October 04,2003 at 10:16:24
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, Mayor DeBoer,
As a resident of Ashland since 1992, as a concerned citizen, community member and parent, I write to
you now with a sense of urgency regarding the proposed Mt. Ashland ski expansion project.
Our planet and planetary ecosystem are under seige. As a species, we are behaving like lemmings, acting
without serious forethought for the consequences of our actions as we near the brink. Our economic
policies are driven by valueless money-making schemes rather than a true and enlightened investment in
our future environmental, social and psychological well-being. Our approach to "development" is one of
consume for the pleasures of the moment, disregarding the critical impact of our self-indulgences. We are
driven by ignorance and greed rather than guided by wisdom and compassion. And for that, if we look at
the world within and around us, we are paying a terrible price.
My question to you as decision-makers in this Mt. Ashland ski expansion process is: Do you want to
continue letting this disconnected development mind-set drive us or are you willing to courageously lead
us in a more conscious, responsible direction, helping us as a human community heal our relationship with
the natural environment upon which we depend?
To answer this question, I ask each of you to look in your hearts. Do not let yourself be pulled or swayed
by the whirlwind of pressures, influences and lobbying invested in this issue. You are not accountable to
the Mt. Ashland Board. You are not accountable to the Chamber of Commerce or any other commecial
interests. You are not beholden to anyone except your truest and highest values for the good of all.
I am asking you to do the right thing, regardless of which way the political winds are blowing. If you
honestly believe there is no risk to the Ashland watershed, then act accordingly. If you believe there is no
risk of sedimentation from the clear-cutting of significant stands of mature trees at the top of our
watershed, then act accordingly. If you believe that expanding territory for skiing takes precedent over
protecting a road less area, then act accordingly. If you believe that a mountain like Mt. Ashland -- a
mountain which hosts such extraordinary biogenetic diversity as well as serving as the water source for
our shared ecosystem -- should be run as a business, driven by competitive principles of business rather
than holistic principles of ecology, then act accordingly.
If, on the other hand, you have some reservations, some discomfort making such far-reaching decisions
that cannot be undone once the trees are cut and the road less areas opened, listen to your hesitations.
For these feelings of unease and discomfort may well be the voice of your own truer self -- the conscience
of our species and our planet that we have ignored and buried for far too long.
It is that voice hidden deep inside you, inside each of us, that I am speaking up for now. Listen to it. Do not
ignore it. Do not deny it for the louder, more demanding voices that have usurped our conscience and our
common sense. And if this quieter, humbler voice in you reminds you that you're not really sure of the
risks, consequences and impact of such an intrusive development into the Mt. Ashland watershed, listen
to it! Listen to it and choose a more responsible, graduated alternative; consider a modified version of
alternative proposal 5 or other alternatives suggested by skiiers and snowboarders concerned with
preserving the larger integrity of Mt. Ashland.
We cannot afford to make the wrong decision. Therefore, we must make the right decision. And if we do
not really know in absolute terms what is right, then we must be honest enough to proceed with humility
rather than hubris. For what is at stake is far more important than the expansion of a ski area.
Do the right thing. Let Mt. Ashland become the symbol where we stood our ground together, where we
re-empowered ourselves as an enlightened citizenry, reclaiming our conscience and common sense, our
values and priorities for the earth and our children.
Sincerely,
Alan Sasha Lithman
address: 460 Sunshine Circle, Ashland, OR 97520
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Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
Mayor Alan DeBoer <awdb@aol.com>, Ashland City Council <council@ashland.or.us>
10/4/037:56AM
Mt. Ashland Expansion Proposal
A schedule conflict prevented me from attending last night's council
meeting on the proposed Mt. Ashland expansion. However, I wish to go on
record as supporting the expansion. And though I haven't a great deal to
add to what other supporters have already told you, there are two points I
would especially like to address.
First, let me say that I have considered myself an environmentalist for
many years and I am an active member of the Nature Conservancy, the Oregon
League of Conservation Voters, the Southern Oregon Land Conservancy, and
the Ashland Woodlands and Trails Association. I was also, until recently,
a long time member of the Sierra Club until I resigned in protest against
its unrelenting - and, I believe, entirely unreasonable - hostility toward
the Mt. Ashland expansion.
My resignation led to an exchange of correspondence with some of the local
Sierra Club officers in which I learned, to my disappointment, that their
opposition is fueled not merely by concerns about the environmental impact
of the proposed expansion but by what amounts to a "holy war" against
skiers, whom the more extreme environmentalists regard as infidels, with
the ultimate objective of closing the Mt. Ashland ski area entirely. I was
told - these are direct quotations - that skiers are "irresponsible elitist
thrill-seekers" whose "cavorting in the snow" is a "desecration of nature."
In this view, apparently, only hikers, tree-huggers, and flower-sniffers
should have access to the public lands in the national forests. It is an
attitude that reminds me of nothing so much as the religious
fundamentalists who demonize everyone who does not share their convictions.
I find this kind of sanctimoniousness divisive, offensive, and alien to the
culture of a community like Ashland which prides itself on its tolerance.
I do not want to see it prevail.
My second point has to do with the validity of the data with which
opponents of the expansion proposal are deluging you. I know a lot about
research, having spent more than three decades as a professional scholar in
one of the scientific disciplines. I know good science when I see it, and
bogus science as well, and I can say with some assurance that the data the
opponents of the expansion have gathered is largely untrustworthy. Far
from being objective, their "research" is motivated by their determination
to support strongly held convictions, and the researchers have, for the
most part, no scientific training, no scientific credentials, no scientific
track record, and thus no credibility. That they dismiss as inadequate and
faulty any findings that do not support their own position merely
emphasizes their own insecurities. The only findings about the Mt. Ashland
expansion which you can trust are those arrived at by people who do not
have a stake in the outcome - notably your own highly competent city
officials, who have already told you how the city's interests can be
safeguarded as the expansion proposal goes forward.
I urge you, as a member of the council, to endorse the Mt. Ashland
expansion proposal. The recreational enhancement and economic benefits it
offers are too important to be derailed by the objections of an irrational
minority, no matter how noisy and passionate they may be.
I,.
Richard H. Hendrickson, Ph.D.
444 Monte Vista Drive
Ashland, OR 97520
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Mark Rasmussen <markras15@yahoo.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/4/037:15PM
Mt. Ashland Expansion
Dear Councilors Laws, Hartzell, Morrison, Amarotico, Hearn, Jackson, and Mayor DeBoer:
Hi my name is Mark Rasmussen, I am a Boy Scout and a member of the Ashland High Snowboard team.
I think that the Ski area should be expanded, simply because the Rouge Valley is growing so fast, and
there is an increasing number of people coming to ski or snowboard. I would also like to see annother
lodge added, because the other one is too small to accomodate all of the people. On the environmental
side, this only calls for cutting down less than 100 acres of trees, out of thousands. Like I said, I am in
Boy Scouts and participate in many outdoor events including winter camping at Mount Ashland. I
encourage you to support this because it is not very harmful to the habitat, and it would greatly benifit the
skiing com unity and the local economy.
Sincerley,
Mark Rasmussen
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My name is Tom Reid - I live at 918 Walker Ave, Ashland.
I'm here to speak in favor of the expansion of the Mt. Ashland ski area by
the Mt. Ashland Association - specifically Alternative 2. I will address
financial issues on behalf of the board of directors of the Association.
I am a Certified Public Accountant. I have 25 years of experience in
preparing and evaluating financial statements and business plans - and I
have served on the Mt. Ashland Association board for the past 7 years.
The Association is in very good financial condition.
You have in front of you the Mt. Ashland Assoc. balance sheet as of June
30, 2003 - three months ago today. As you may know - a Balance Sheet
provides a picture of what an organization owns and what it owes as of a
given point in time. As of June 30, 2003:
. The Association had 3.2 million in assets
. The Association had $645k in current assets - including $614k in cash
and other liquid investments
. The Association had $106k in current liabilities plus $87 of deferred
revenue to be recognized this year from season pass sales last year
. The Association's working capital (Current assets minus current
liabilities) was $539k.
. The Association's current ratio (current assets divided by current
liabilities) was 6 to 1. A ratio of 2 to 1 is good and 4 to 1 is
considered to be excellent - ours is 6 to 1.
The balance sheet of the Association clearly reflects a financially healthy
organization by any measure.
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You also have a spreadsheet that summarizes the operating activity of the
Association over its 11 year period of existence. The summary:
. Reflects that the Association has generated positive cash flow in 10
out of 11 years of operation
. Reflects that the Association has generated $3.65 million in cash flow
from operations - and that we have invested $3.38 million of that
amount in improvements to the area. The remaining $270k, added to
contributed reserves of $343 is designated by the board as a reserve to
ensure that we have sufficient working capital to begin operations
each year.
The numbers on the income statement summary clearly reflect a
successful operating entity by any reasonable measure
The final document I have prepared is a break-even analysis for the
expansion as proposed by Mt. Ashland Association - Alternative 2
. The analysis indicates that the additional costs of operating the
expanded area will be less than $190k in a normal year - remember
that fixed administrative and other overhead expenses will not
increase with the expansion.
. The analysis estimates the revenue that will be generated by the new
tubing facility, and then calculates how many additional skier &
boarder visits will be needed to cover the remaining marginal
operating costs of the expanded area
. The conclusion is that with an increase of only 5,790 skiers and
boarders per year - for the entire year - plus the revenue generated by
the projected 4,600 users of the tubing facility - the increased
marginal costs of operating the expansion will be covered. That's
only a 6.6 percent increase in our 88,000 average annual visits by
skiers and boarders.
And don't forget that the next increment of usage will produce revenue
that will go directly to the bottom line - increasing the financial stability of
the area - not threatening it.
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Finally I want to address the issue of restoration of the area in the extremely
unlikely event of closure of the area. The reality is that the ski area will
always be operated, but there has been a lot of focus on this issue.
. Mitigation costs in 1993, as estimated by the Forest Service, were
$200,000
. Adjusting that estimate for inflation, the current number would be
$267,000
. Just doubling that number to have something to consider would yield
a cost of $534,000
. The estimated market value of the assets on the mountain in
liquidation is $1,200,000 - 2.25 times the doubled number!
. The Association will be adding about 2 million in assets to the
mountain in phase 1 - without adding any liabilities. It is clear that
the City's assurance of sufficient assets to cover a theoretical closure
of the area improves with the expansion.
In Conclusion:
The Mt. Ashland Association IS m a secure financial position - the
Association has planned this expansion carefully - and the future of the
area will be enhanced and made more secure by approval.
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From: Chris Kaufman <Chriskaufman63@hotmail.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver-ashland@fs. fed .us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/6/039:20AM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Chris Kaufman (Chriskaufman63@hotmail.com) on Monday, October 06,2003 at 12:20:13
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
I am against the proposed expansion of the Mt. Ashland Ski Area into the Middle Branch drainage area for
many reasons, including the risks of degredation of water quality and the harm to the natural balanced
ecosystem that would occur from this development. In addition, either public nor private businesses
should be propped up with taxpayer money and then be considered 'self-sustaining'. Please consider
expansion alternative known as Alternative 5 that would allow the ski area to expand to add beginner and
novice terrain and do so within the boundaries of the current ski area.
For your information, I am an avid skier and would not consider going to Mt. Ashland again if this proposal
moves ahead in its current form. I would also inform my other skier friends as well.
Sincerely,
Chris Kaufman
Portland, OR
address: 2136 SE38th Ave. Portland, OR 97214
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From: Katie Holden <holdensherpa@yahoo.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver-ashland@fs. fed .us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/6/03 8:45AM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Katie Holden (holdensherpa@yahoo.com) on Monday, October 06, 2003 at 11 :45: 10
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
Please stop the expansion at the Mt. Ashland ski resort. I have lived in this valley for 25 years and can't
bear the thought of ruining one of the most pristine, beautiful, and important watersheds in our area.
There is no reason to put recreation before the health of our natural systems. There is absolutely no
guarantee that this area will continue to get snow fall consistent each year to make this expansion
economically feasible. When I hear that one of the proponents of the expansion are Southern Oregon
University students I am saddened to think that transitional residents of Ashland may have a permanent
impact on our watershed. College students are often here for only 4-5 years, greatly lessening their
interested and attachment to our wild places.
Please represent this issue as representatives of the citizens of this town. If the comments you have
received have been more than 50% against the expansion please represent that as a council.
Thank you for your time,
Katie Holden
address: 107 Alida Street
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From: Michael Max Hentz <klamath@quik.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver -ashland@fs.fed.us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/5/03 8:25PM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Michael Max Hentz (klamath@quik.com) on Sunday, October 05,2003 at 23:25:34
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
The Klamath Region is becoming central to the larger debate about land 1 water use and conservation.
The proposed expansion of the Mt. Ashland Ski Area represents a misquided application of the "National
Forest Lands" to non-appropriate purposes.
The Roadless Nature of the proposed area, the unique and rare habitats and organisms present their, the
historic absence of active cattle grazing and roads within the area, the uniqueness of the Siskiyou -
Cascade Land Bridge... All point to the critical ecoogical value of this area, far outweighing any benefit for
recreational or commercial purposes.
The City of Ashland will be best served in the longterm by protecting its Watershed, both for ecological
values, as well as to assure a continued source of drinking water.
Do not make the fundamental mistake of allowing this area to be compromised and degraded through ski
area expansion, the no option alternative is the obvious and only correct decision.
Also, due to the level of grassroots support for the protection of this road less area, it is obvious that civil
disobedience will render such entrance into this wildland impractical and expensive. This is a fact, you will
catalyze this debate and create a showcase for environmental activism, and highlight the misguided
management prerogatives of the USFS. The reputation of many USFS officials will be compromised if
you engage in the Ski Area Expansion, as well as discrediting the agency as a whole. Understand this will
bring national media attention, and intense scrutiny if you go ahead with this effort. It will also be incredibly
costly in time and money, when there are much more pressing and urgent managment activities to be
concerned with.
The fact that this Ski Area is related to the City through permit, should in no way increase your interest in
the proposal. In fact it should lessen it. The politics of the community will change. But once you enter and
alter this wildland, there can be no return to the natural condition.
As a Certified Botanist for the USFS (1993-4 Nez Perce N.F., 96& 99 Klamath N.F.,) Wilderness Ranger
(Tongass 97, Inyo 98), and Botanist with the National Biological Survey Yosemite (95') I urge you, based
upon professional experience and expertise, not to make the mistake of proposing any change to the
watershed.
Michael Max Hentz
PO Box 363 Trinidad Ca. 95570
address: PO Box 363, Trinidad Ca. 95570
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From: Ara Johnson <ramblin.rose@earthlink.net>
To: <com ments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver -ashland@fs.fed.us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/5/03 5:42PM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of M1. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Ara Johnson (ramblin.rose@earthlink.net) on Sunday, October 05,2003 at 20:42:02
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
I am a parent of a skiier and snowboarder; they are dedicated to their sports and we have passes to the
mountain. But I do NOT support the expansion.
I remember when M1. Ashland was ready to be dismantled; we cannot always count on the good snow
conditions that we have had the past few years.
I oppose expanding into the Middle Branch watershed.
I will support a modified version of Alternative 5.
Thank you, Ara Johnson
(a homeowner and voter who expects you to reflect your constituancy)
address: 133 Nutley S1. Ashland
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From: Emily Minah <emminah@hotmail.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver -ashland@fs.fed.us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/5/033:17PM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Emily Minah (emminah@hotmail.com) on Sunday, October 05,2003 at 18:16:36
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
I am writing to express my thoughts about the proposed Mt. Ashland expansion.
The City of Ashland should: (1) Start long term monitoring of watershed (2) Insist on permanent protection
of Middle Branch (3) Call for open Mt. Ashland Association board elections by an inclusive membership.
The Middle Branch watershed is a rare example of an intact Siskiyou Mountain ecosystem that thrives in
its natural state. Not only is the significant human value of this pristine landscape degraded by the
proposed development, but the ecosystem is threatened by the first intrusion of human activity into this
area.
The Mt. Ashland Ski area is such a rariety as it is. A community-owned, smaller, local ski area is a true
treasure. It is my opinion that it should recognized and valued for what it is and not expand it in an attempt
to create something that it isn'Lespecially not at the price of our drinking water and rare mountain
ecosystem.
Thank you,
Emily Minah
address: 850 Neil Ck Rd, Ashland, OR 97520
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"Cate Hartzell" <Cate@mind.net>
"Tom Pyle" <amatom2@charter.net>
10/5/03 2:32PM
Re: ski area expansion
Tom,
Thanks for spending time on your letter to me.
You raise a number of points that I'd like to briefly respond to.
When I met with the MAA Board several weeks ago, you raised the parallel of
North Mountain Park after our meeting. It helps me to read here how you see
that as being related to the Ski Expansion. I worked on that park planning
process, too, as you know. My recollection of the debate early on was not
about whether to "do nothing," but about following the law and respecting
the land. Original plans had fields and fill going into the legal
floodplain; it reflected an obvious failure to understand the context into
which people were taking their recreational dreams. Through patience and a
great deal of commitment from people from many perspectives, we slowed the
process down and got people with different recreational preferences talking,
to see how we could apply our dreams to a physical space that had it's own
ecosystem happening. We compromised on how to share the areas it was safe
and legal to develop in, and how to honor the area that was natural and
necessary for flood events and wildlife.
You and I both agreed that the Environmental Education Program there is a
valuable resource. In that process, some of us fought hard to keep that old
farmhouse and to convey the concept that environ education is a viable
recreation. It took persistance to convince decision makers that investing
in learning from the ecosystem - the ponds, the birds, the wildlife, the
creek - was a justifiable use of that parcel. I recently came across the
first map drafted for the park - it was little else than ball fields,
concession stands and parking; it ignored legal floodplain boundaries.
People, including Ken Mickelsen
insisted that the land had been bought for an active park and the
environmentalists were out of line for insisting otherwise.
As a mother of a great baseball player and naturalist, I was among those
looking for compromise.
It's an interesting parallel to the Ski X.
You mention in your note that USFS and city staff agree on the facts of "no
impact." City staff reviewed the USFS document; Paula states that she had
limited time to review the document and did no independent data-seeking or
analysis. So, it's not accurate in my mind to assert staff's concurrance
with the USFS report as additional proof of the validity of the information
presented.
Working in the field I do, I am familiar with USFS projects around the
country. The days when we could assert the infallibility of any of our
institutions is past. Well-meaning agency staff (with too much to do, too
little money and time to do it in, working for an agency that is
dramatically downsizing and outsourcing and asking people to reach past
their training
and experience) wrote a report. The EIS and ROD will be challenged in court
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with a high likelihood of success, because the agency has failed to
generate, over the years, the information necessary to build and support
their analysis. From Congress to citizens, we fail to understand, prioritize
and pay for learning from the landscape. We prioritize taking resources - we
reinvestment little.
We are debating long-term impacts on a landscape we know too little about;
our institutions are incapable of long-term accountability. Most non-profits
are transient; all have turnover on their Board. Businesses fail. The USFS
is designed to promote people who move from one state to another, taking
with them whatever knowledge of local ecosystems they may have built during
their assignment. They are being outsourced and RIFfed now at rates that
will leave two people in the Ashland RD in 4-5 years and we're lucky to have
that - they could close it down altogether. Political representatives (City
Councils, mayors, senators and State representatives) change. Almquist was
the exception; City Administrators and Public Works Directors resign or
move. Taxpayers and future generations pay in those rare instances where we
have no choice, or we decide we must repair environmental damage.
NOAA predicts less snow at Ski Ashland elevations within 17 years; we
already see evidence of warmer winters. We have no idea what that means, not
just for the MAA playground, but for the entire watershed and for the Rogue
River watershed, (since we'll draw water from that by then). There's a
wetland storing water in the Middle Branch now. It's fair to predict that
water will be valued more in the future than it is now.
I am the mother of snowboarders, but my kids have grown up camping and
learning that we are visitors on the planet. Our responsibility is to share
and keep our impact from limiting what their grandchildren have available.
You and I hold different values and perceptions of what risk is acceptable.
In this case, I may be more conservative than you.
I appreciate that you talked with me after the MAA meeting and sent me this
note. Thank you. I guess I wasn't brief after all, but you prompted me to
write what I have been thinking about.
Cate
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Pyle" <amatom2@charter.net>
To: <cate@mind.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 25,200312:15 PM
Subject: ski area expansion
> Dear Councilor Hartzell:
> I attended with great interest the Monday, Sept. 22, Ashland City Council
> study session concerning the proposed expansion of the Mt. Ashland Ski
Area.
> The presentations and discussion brought to mind another controversial
> proposal -- development of North Mountain Park -- conceived when I was on
> the Ashland Parks and Recreation Commission several years ago.
> Over the years, the proposal was formalized, scrutinized, revised,
finalized
> and, eventually, transformed into a completed project. Decisions were made
> based on what the commission determined various segments of the community
> wanted or would at least accept and what parks management professionals
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said
> could be done to satisfy those desires. What the community got was a
> recreational facility that had a minimal, if not positive, impact on the
> environment.
> About the same time the idea of a North Mountain Park surfaced, so did
plans
> to expand Mt. Ashland ski area. This project, however, is still a dream,
not
> a reality. The process has been delayed by repeated revisions to the plan
in
> order to ensure protection of the environment, including the city's
> watershed. The delays, however, have proven to be beneficial because the
> Forest Service and Mount Ashland Association alternatives now before the
> public and the city council are environmentally responsible and provide
the
> additional recreational opportunities (more, easier ski runs) sought by
> potential and current users of the facility.
> Forest Service experts and city staff have concluded that the expansion
can
> proceed without threat to the environment. Mount Ashland Association
> representatives have shown that while MAA is financially sound today,
> expansion would ensure the ski area's well-being in the future as well as
> increasing the economic benefits the ski area brings to the city and the
> region.
> Despite all the positive benefits ski area expansion would bring, some
would
> suggest -- as some did concerning North Mountain Park -- that we are
better
> off just leaving things as they stand now. Do nothing, they would argue.
> Doing nothing is not the Ashland way. It may take awhile (e.g., the
Siskiyou
> Boulevard reconstruction), but Ashland does what it takes to make things
> better for its residents and visitors. I would hope that you, as a city
> councilor, would agree that the ski area expansion is something that does
> just that.
> Thank you.
>
> Tom Pyle
> (30-year resident of Ashland, now living in exile outside Phoenix)
>
>
>
>
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From: edgar morton <mrpotatoed@yahoo.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver-ashland@fs.fed. us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/5/03 1 0:35AM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
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edgar morton (mrpotatoed@yahoo.com) on Sunday, October 05,2003 at 13:35:16
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Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
i snowboard,xc ski,mtn. bike,and hike on mt. ashland.it suprises me that expansion would be considered
when there are so many problems that need to be taken care of. parking on good days is tough.the lines
for lifts are long.erosion is a serious problem already.that brings me to my main concern.the middle
branch of mt ashland is diverse,beautiful,and wild.those are infinely better qualities than a larger ski
area. besides that,it is irresponsible to expand with the questionable weather conditions of a mountain that
is only just over 7000 ft. in elevation.attracting more skiers leads me to believe ashland would be
competeing with bachelor or hood.we can't make it 5000 ft. taller to provide more consistant temperature
and snowfall.i am proud of ash land using the clean water from the watershed instead of medford water
and that we have a modest and respectful city owned ski park.i want to see environmentally sound and
responsible improvements to mt. ashland for a sustainable futur!
e.please,no expansion.
thank you for your time,
edgar morton
address: 2253 hwy.99 n. ashland
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Diane McKelvey <diane@ashlanddirectory.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
1 0/6/03 11: 14AM
Yes for Mt Ashland Expansion Alternative 2
Dear Council Members,
My name is Diane McKelvey 205 Hidden Lane, Ashland, OR 97520. I'm the owner
of the Ashland Directory, member of the Mt Ashland Development Committee,
Co-chair of the MARA (Mt Ashland Race Assoc) Auction Committee, Past
coordinator the Ashland Middle School After School Ski & Snowboard Program
for 5 years, Mother of 3 children: Morgan (18 year old Ashland High School
Snowboarder) Logan & Kelsey (9 year old & 7 year old MARA Racers), an avid
skier & I'M IN FAVOR OF THE MT ASHLAND EXPANSION for the following reasons.
1. Mt Ashland needs the expansion to be competitive in the ski market & to
remain financially viable. Mt Shasta & Mt Bachelor are receiving much of
the regional revenue that Mt Ashland & local businesses would receive if we
expanded Mt Ashland. The local businesses would benefit from increased
visitors to Ashland during the shoulder season.
2. Safety. Having skied on Mt Ashland for all of the 17 years I've lived
in Ashland, raised 3 children skiing/snowboarding on Mt Ashland, run the
After School Ski & Snowboard program for 5 years I feel as though I'm
qualified to comment on the safety issue. I have seen over the years the
popularity of skiing and particular snowboarding in the youth of this
region. The slopes are very crowded & I have feared for the safety of my
children & myself. On Thursday nights I've seen the huge number of youth
sharing a small area with a large diversity of skills. The Ashland Middle
School After School Ski/Snowboard Program brings up about 200 students
ranging from kids who have never skied or snowboarded to advance skiers or
snowboarders. The program brings up 4 buses of students, they take a 1 hour
lesson & are free to enjoy the mountain the rest of the evening. They are
on the slopes with expert skier & snowboarder that are training for the high
school ski & snowboard teams from all over the valley in addition to the
MARA kids (8-18 years old) also training. I have seen far too many
accidents because of the amount of people on the slopes. We need more
terrain for your youth. Mt Ashland provides such an important part in the
positive development of the youth in our region. Our racers also need a
gentle long run for training that C6 would provide.
3. Additional Room is needed in the Lodge. Our family spends most weekends
at Mt Ashland. I have observed the long lines at the cafeteria & people
sitting on the floor in every corner of the Mt Ashland Lodge. Mt Ashland
has changed the cafeteria several times but the fact is that the lodge is
beautiful but poorly designed & too small for the number of visitors to Mt
Ashland.
4. Mt Ashland is designated as a recreational area for public use. I trust
that the Forest Service & Mt Ashland if the expansion is done will safeguard
against any damage to the natural resources on Mt Ashland, the middle fork &
Ashland water shed. Please allow us the public to use the forest for what
its designated for. According to my Forest Service friend, he stated that 3
hikers hiking on Mt Ashland Middle Fork area causes more harm to our water
shed then 100's of skiers skiing on several feet of snow.
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Please vote in favor of Alternative 2 of the DEIS
Thanks you
Diane McKelvey
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"Greg Williams" <greg@ashlandgreenhouses.com>
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10/6/03 12:46PM
Ski Ashland Expansion
Councilors,
I appreciate the challenging role you have as a City Councilor. I recall that they were many difficult
decisions while I served on the Council, and I know that you are now facing one of those decisions. But I
would like to point out that the Council agreed to look at issues that affect the City, the water quality and
quantity, the potential for increased fire hazard and the potential fiscal liabilities. I believe that when you
look at both the expert and the public testimony that all of these issues have been addressed, in a positive
manner and the total affect will be minimal. I attended the Forest Service hearing as well as your study
session and public hearings. Please weigh the expert advice, and do not let the emotional rhetoric sway
you.
I would also like to caution you from trying to pick a 'preferred alternative'. The Council is not the decision
making body in this case. What the Council needs to focus on is the above questions, and how the City is
affected, not which alternative you want. That decision is not for the City to decide, but rather the Forest
Service. That decision is a regional decision that will affect the entire valley region, not just Ashland. I
believe that the majority of Ashland citizens support the expansion, but if you go outside the city, the
support is incredibly strong. As long as the alternative does not harm the City (in the three above areas),
the City should refrain from directing the Forest Service which way to go.
I would like to thank you all for all the hard work that you donate to the City of Ashland. I know that all too
often you hear the negative side, but I do understand that you just want the best for the City.
Thank you for your support,
Greg Williams
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Kevin McKelvey <kevin@ashlanddirectory.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/03 11 :30AM
Voting Yes for the Mt Ashland Expansion
Dear Ashland City Council,
My name is Kevin McKelvey. I have lived in Ashland for almost 30 years. I
own and operate the Ashland Directory.
I learned to ski on Mt Ashland in 1974. It was not very crowded then but as
this area grows we need to adapt. We have expanded our libraries, our fire
station, our parks and the YMCA twice, it seems natural to expand our ski
resort as well.
I put my trust in our own government scientists & believe that there will be
minimum impact, if any, on our water supply, therefore I am in favor of
expanding Mt Ashland.
Kevin McKelvey
205 Hidden Lane
Ashland, OR 97520
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Ryan Johnston <johnstonr@students.sou.edu>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/0312:49PM
pro-expansion!
To Whom it may concern:
My name is Ryan Johnston, and I am for the expansion of the Mount
Ashland Ski Area. In 1996 I taught snowboard lessons at Mt. Ashland,
and experienced firsthand the difficulties that the currently inadequate
beginner and novice terrain created for learners. I have also recently
supervised the snowboard school at the Mount Shasta Board and Ski Park,
where I met countless residents from southern Oregon who came to Mount
Shasta to learn to ski or snowboard because of the lack of adequate
terrain for learning on Mount Ashland. The proposed expansion will
bring southern Oregon residents to Mt. Ashland, instead of driving them
away to Mt. Bachelor and Mt. Shasta.
Currently I work as coach for the reigning state champion Ashland High
School Snowboard Team. Traditionally, we should host the next state
championship; however, the current facilities (especially freestyle)are
insufficient to undertake such an endeavor. Mount Ashland needs to
expand to accomodate the current demand, much less the future
demographic growth of southern Oregon.
Finally, I cannot stress enough the importance of freestyle facilities
at Mt. Ashland. Most of the growth in the industry surrounds freestyle
skiing and snowboarding; having a well maintained half-pipe and terrain
park will increase the marketability of Mt. Ashland. The inadequacy of
the freestyle facilities currently presents another negative push factor
at Mt. Ashland. I am particularly concerned about a rumor that Mt.
Ashland will not have a half-pipe at all this year. This is most
concerning considering the fact that the half-pipe is advertised on the
TV. commercial (false advertising?).
Please, do not give up on Mt. Ashland expansion because of the ignorant
fervor that has been so vocal in opposition. Instead, persist in
articulating to the public the hard work and care that has gone into
this thoughtful and conscious proposal.
Sincerely,
Ryan Johnston
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<DruGriffin@aol.com>
<Council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/03 1 :40PM
WE SUPPORT THE EXPANSION
My husband and I moved to Ashland a little over 2 years ago. We carefully
considered the many benefits that this area provides. Our daughter's family with
our 3 grandsons also chose to relocate here in beautiful Ashland.
Of great influence on our choice of Ashland was the near proximity of Mt.
Ashland Ski Resort. My husband and I are avid skiers. We ski for the health
benefits and the enjoyment of the beautiful outdoors in winter. We are teaching our
grandsons to ski at Mt. Ashland. We have found that there is a need for
transition terrain between novice and upper intermediate levels. It is also very
crowded on some of the runs for learners. Since the area is growing in
population this problem will get worse before it even has a chance to get better.
We are part of the silent majority who choose to avoid confrontation with the
very vocal, very minority of people who would like to close our beautiful
resort instead of expand it. There are many who support the expansion. Please do
not succumb to the scare tactics of these few people who are desperately
trying to stop the expansion.
Thank you for your time.
Dru and Jim Griffin
Ashland
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"Barbara Allen" <barbaraallen@windermere.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/032:56PM
Support Mt. Ashland expansion
DearCoundlMembeffi,
I support opportunities for kids and families to interact in a healthy way and skiing is one of those ways. I
would like to voice my support for the Mt. Ashland expansion and feel that it has been studied by scientists
who have answered any questions I had about the impact on our environment. Why should people have
to get in their cars and drive many hours to enjoy something that is in their own backyard and also helps
our economy in the winter.
Thanks for listening!
Best wishes, Barbara Allen
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<Rchboss@aol.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/03 2:44PM
mt ashland
Don't let the naysayers win, listen to the reports and let the science tell
the truth. We need the expansion and if any of you have been to Mt. Ashland on
a busy weekend you will realize it is bursting at the seams, and in order to
continue to operate in a safe manner to accommodate all the residents and
visitors it needs to grow. The reports are in and the studies have been completed,
enough time has been put in by the ski area, let them do their job and serve
the community. All ski areas are under assault by the environmental groups
that abound, they want no growth anywhere, but especially ski area's, it's time
to stand up for the residents that you represent and tell them that we can
coexist with the strict regulation that is in place.
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October 10, 2003
Ashland City Council
1175 East Main Street
Ashland, OR 97520
Dear City Councilors:
I am writing in support of the expansion of the Mt. Ashland Ski area. I realize that this decision
is very important to the incredible community resource represented by Mt. Ashland. However, I
believe that the most important resource that any community has is its young people and here in
the Rogue Valley we have a large population represented by the next generation. I have been an
educator for the past 28 years here in the Rogue Valley and I am impressed with the amount of
youth that frequent Mt. Ashland on a weekly basis. Both from the afterschool ski programs and
the RVTD bus transportation program hundreds of young people are enjoying a wonderful sport
that they will be able to participate in for the rest of their lives. The mountain allows for the
youth of our valley to have an outlet for fun and recreation during the cold winter months at a
nominal cost. From my observation without Mt. Ashland our juvenile detention centers would
have many additional customers due to the lack of youth resources during the winter months in
the Rogue Valley.
I believe that it is imperative that the ski area expands to meet the future demand of our young
people. The mountain needs additional terrain to provide access for beginning and intermediate
level skiers with this additional terrain many more youth will take advantage of this beautiful
community area. From all I have read from the forest service reports this expansion does little to
no harm to the watershed and the environment however without expansion our community loses
and the youth of our valley will be once again shortchanged in constructive outlets for
development of the next generation. Please help make the expansion a reality. .. this has gone
on for too long.
Sincerely Yours,
Ross Meador
North Medford High School
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"Scot Lewi" <graupel@eudoramail.com>
<Council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/032:40PM
Mt. Ashland
Hi Folks.
Bottom line: I VERY MUCH support the expansion of Ski Ashland!
Thanks-
Scott Lewis
Citizen, skier, father, meteorologist
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From: Corey Sevigny <see7e@yahoo.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver-ashland@fs. fed .us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
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Date: 10/6/033:18PM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Proposed Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Corey Sevigny (see7e@yahoo.com) on Monday, October 06,2003 at 18:18:17
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
I urge you to reconsider the expansion of Mount Ashland Ski Area. This expansion would cause
significant risk to the water supply and watershed, along with destroying a pristine ecosystem. Is unsafe
drinking water really worth the extra few dollars this expansion would bring?
Sincerely,
Corey Sevigny
address: 528 se 27 #1, POX, OR
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Josephine County Board of Commissioners
Jim Brock Harold 1. Haugen Jim Riddle
October 2, 2003
John Schuyler
Acting Ashland District Ranger
645 Washington Street
AsWand, OR 97520
Dear Mr. Schuyler,
The Josephine County Commissioners wish to express support for the Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion plan now being studied
in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) as required through the National Environmental Protection Act (NEP A).
The decision to move forward to approve ski area expansion is long overdue. We feel this project is critical to the economic
future of our community and the Southern Oregon Region and urge you to approve Alternative 2, which is the only alternative
that directly addresses the purpose and need for expansion. Alternative 2 will address the need for:
· A modest addition of beginner through intermediate ski/ snowboard trails, optimizing terrain
balance on Mt. Ashland and improving guest service facilities.
· Providing improvements, which address increased safety issues due to growing recreational
demand and increased skier utilization of residents and guests of the Southern Oregon region.
· Ensuring the future economic viability of the ski area and enhancing recreational opportunities
in the surrounding region.
· A well researched environmentally sound plan, which utilizes modern stewardship principles
and wise use of our resources.
The Mt. Ashland Ski Area is a unique, recreational asset, which has served guests and residents of our region for the past 40
years. We feel the Mt. Ashland Association's (MAA) proposal of a modest addition of novice-intermediate terrain will benefit
the area, environment and local economies. The ski area provides a positive environment for children and families. It also
boosts the local and regional economy in the winter when the extensive tourist facilities are underutilized. They are a non-profit,
community owned organization, which have demonstrated uncommon service and programs to our entire region.
Our community will benefit from the recreational, economic and social attributes Mt Ashland Ski Area expansion will provide.
Not only does the ski area attract new businesses and families in our area, it greatly enhances the livability in the Southern
Oregon region. It is critically important for the Forest Service to approve what was started over 20 years ago and render a solid,
well-researched decision approving the Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion, Alternative 2 proposal.
We appreciate your concern and support for Oregon's rural economies and your efforts on our behalf and the citizens of
Southern Oregon.
Sincerely,
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"Ken Kigel" <kenandpat@bisp.net>
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10/6/03 4:53PM
Support for Mt. Ashland expansion
The three registered voters in our family all support the proposed expansion
of Mt. Ashland. While my wife, Pat Acklin, is a Mt. A board member, I can
think for myself and have concluded that the potential for negative impacts
is negligible (see the draft EIS for data). I hope you will all see your
way clear to support expansion and leave the choice of alternative to the
Forest Service whose employees are well-educated public servants.
Ken Kigel
270 Scenic Drive
Ashland, OR
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"eliz hartwig" <riverat@zworg.com>
<Council@ashland.or.us>
10/7/039:52AM
To whom it may concern;
i am writing with great concern about the mt ash land expansion. I do not
feel the mountain is fit geographcically or economically to handle an
expansion like the one proposed by the ski area. I understand that it
would be nice to have more runs but what about improving what we
already have before putting money into an expansion that threatens
fragile areas of our watershed and for much of the season might not
have snow at the base. I urge you to consider other alternatives that
keep the expansion small and put energy into the improvements that can
be made on the existing mountain.
Thank you
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"Rick Saul" <rsaul@mtashland.com>
"Alan Deboer" <Awdb@aol.com>
10/6/039:31AM
Mt Ashland Expansion
To the Ashland City Council:
Our City Council's responsibility to its constituency is to objectively look
at the issues and determine what testimony is credible and what is not.
Recently presented arguments suggest that the council should follow only a
very vocal and passionate group of individuals, whether or not their
position is credible,
The Mt. Ashland Association is in the winter recreation business, They are
intimately aware of industry standards. Along with extensive work with the
public and with local environmental interests, they have solicited the
assistance of the premier ski area designer in the United States (if not the
world) to help them craft a plan that will match the available terrain
within its existing boundary to the customer profile in the most cost
effective and environmentally safe manner possible, The mountain has
incurred considerable expense to do the research and to craft a plan that
meets the customer needs now and in the future, This plan will make the
mountain more user-friendly for all ability levels and provide an
opportunity for our growing population to enjoy wonderful winter
recreational activities,
The professional research indicates that this proposal can be done with
negligible to low effects to the Ashland watershed, The Mt. Ashland
Association would never have proposed this project if it felt it would in
any way harm the quality of the water for the City of Ashland, The area
affected by this project represents less than one half of one percent of the
Ashland watershed. Potential erosion will be held to a minimum and may even
be reduced through careful implementation and by the accomplishment of
restoration projects prior to ski facility construction. Scientists who live
in Ashland made this conclusion. They have just as much at stake in this
outcome as you and I do. Your own dedicated staff of professionals confirmed
this conclusion.
Those who look at the history of the mountain and claim it has been on shaky
ground financially since its inception are comparing apples to oranges. In
its early stages, as a for-profit business the ski area was laden with debt.
The ski area was in financial difficulty only once due to these initial
investments in the 60's, and all owners since 1976 have been successful.
Since 1992 and the formation of a nonprofit organization Mt. Ashland has
been virtually debt free, In this short amount of time the Association was
able to save and reinvest over 3.3 million dollars.
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Other community members have suggested different variations of a plan that
increase capital expenditures and annual operating costs but do not change
the character of the ski area. Their plans will not contribute to the
financial success of the ski area. If a ski area is going to invest in
capital improvements and is willing to take on increased annual operating
costs, it must be certain that the end product better matches the needs of
their guests (Le., an improved terrain balance). With all due respect,
these individuals are not ski area designers. Their comments need to be
weighted with that in mind.
As I listened to the testimony of the expansion opponents during the City
Council public hearing, I heard passion. I admire that. I also heard the
opponent's catcalls directed at certain individuals who said they trusted
the experts in this project. This disrespectful behavior, leads me to
believe that these individuals are not really interested in any position
other than their own as they so claim, I heard what I perceived as hints of
future civil disobedience coming from some of these individuals. These
comments were directed toward the City Council, the Forest Service and Mt.
Ashland. People who use intimidation tactics and promise disruption of a
legal process do not represent me or the people of Ashland.
It is the City Council's job, and a tough one at that, to wade through the
information and discern what is credible and what is not. It is clear that
the experts in this matter, including your own staff, conclude there will be
a negligible effect on the Ashland City watershed. Alternative 2 is the best
plan because it changes the balance of terrain in the most cost-effective,
and environmentally safe manner. This plan will help the ski area remain
competitive for the long term and will allow the ski area to continue to
enhance the lives of those in Ashland and in the southern Oregon and
northern California region.
I appreciate that you have stepped forward to offer your leadership to our
community. Please look at the information you have been given and
appropriately weigh comments based on credentials.
Rick Saul
Director of Marketing & Snowsports
Mt. Ashland Association
Rick Saul
Director of Marketing and Snows ports
rsaul@mtashland,com
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"Jeff Rinkoff" <jrinkoff@mind.net>
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10/6/03 11 :30PM
mt ash land expansion
Dear Mr. DeBoer,
I understand that the city council's staff has recommended a set of
comments to assure the protection of Ashland's water quality while
providing for well-conceived improvements to the ski and snowboard area.
I urge you to support alternative 2, (Mt. Ashland's proposal) for the
expansion of the ski/snowboard park at Mt. Ashland,
Sincerely,
Jeff Rinkoff, M,D.
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"Hoeper" <hoeper@wave.net>
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9/30/039:56PM
Mt Ashland Expansion
Dear Mayor,
Please view the comment letter I sent to the Forest Service regarding the Mt. Ashland expansion, I
support the expansion, and I urge you and the council to do the right thing for Ashland and for Jackson
County to pass a resolution supporting Alternative 2. Ashland needs the ski area, and I truly believe that
the ski area won't survive without the proposed expansion, And while Ashland is dependant on the
watershed and is uniquely affected by what goes on at Ski Ashland, the city of Ashland also can affect the
future of the county as well by supporting the ski area and the business and prosperity that goes with a
vibrant and diverse economic base. After, do you and the council want to be remembered as the council
that allowed our ski area to go down the tubes because you listened to and supported a vocal minority
who oppose the expansion? Do the right thing-pass a resolution supporting the ski area expansion and be
proud about it. Believe Paula Brown and the USFS specialists that say the effects would be negligible.
Thanks for listening,
Frank Hoeper
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October 7, 2003
Mr. John Schuyler
Mr. Steve Johnson
Rogue River National Forest-Ashland Ranger District
645 Washington St
Ashland, OR 97520-1402
Dear Sirs:
I am respectfully submitting this letter of comment regarding the July 2003 DEIS for
the Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion, and am asking you to consider my comments
when you draft the decision document. First of all, let me begin by complementing
Mr. Johnson and the rest of the USFS staff for completing an outstanding NEPA
document. The high level of expertise and professionalism displayed by the staff is
first rate.
I urge you to adopt Alternative 2 and allow the expansion of the ski area to proceed
as proposed by MASA, with just one exception. I believe that Alternative 2 most
meets the Purpose and Need as outlined in the DEIS, and as your various specialists
suggest, the environmental consequences of implementing the alternative are within
acceptable ranges. I was a volunteer Ski Patroller at Mt. Ashland for approximately
14 years, and know every nook and cranny with the boundaries of the permit area as
well as just about anybody. I know the issues and concerns from the perspective of
the ski area, and know how badly the ski needs to expand. I am a father of some
young skiers, and know the value of beginner and intermediate ski terrain. I am a
professional forester and NEPA writer for your sister agency, the BLM, and know all
about land management issues, alternative development, and environmental
consequences. My wife is a small business owner in Jackson County, and knows
that the continued vitality of the ski area is important for the economic well-being of
the region. And, I own rental property in Ashland, and know for a fact that many
people move to Medford/Ashland because of the ski area.
I offer you a real-life example of how badly Mt. Ashland needs to expand its
intermediate terrain. Despite my long term relationship with and close proximity to
Mt. Ashland, the last three years I have purchased season passes at Mt. Shasta.
The reasons are my children, now aged 7 and 12. Mt. Ashland simply doesn't have
the beginner/intermediate terrain that my family needs. Instead, we drive right by the
Mt. Ashland exit on the freeway, and head down to Shasta, taking our dollars with us.
We don't like driving the extra miles, nor do we like supporting Shasta at the expense
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of our beloved Mt. Ashland. But, we feel we are making the right decision for our
family, given the terrain mix that currently exists at Mt. A. Our dollars would stay in
Jackson County if the terrain were more suited for youngsters at Mt. Ashland. And I
know of many other families with younger children that do the same thing.
As a Ski Patroller, I also know that the intermediate terrain that currently exists at Mt.
Ashland can get a little crowded, while the majority of the expert terrain is usually
relatively un-crowded. That's because most of the skiing public desires groomed
intermediate terrain. If Mt. A is to survive as a viable ski area, it must be allowed to
provide the recreational experience and terrain that the industry is able to provide at
our neighboring ski areas (Mt. Shasta and Mt. Bachelor).
I also must comment on the viability of the Englemann spruce population on Mt.
Ashland. I agree with your effects writer that the effects of Alternative 2 on that
population would be negligible, and from the tree sizes affected, it is hardly old
growth.
I do have some concerns about the proposed tubing area, however, and I am of the
opinion that Alternative 2 be adopted, minus the tubing area. Where did that idea
come from anyway? As mentioned, I have considerable experience with winter
sports, and I think it's best to keep downhill skiing and tubing separate. If there is a
need for another tubing area in Jackson County (which I doubt), have your planners
put on their thinking caps and develop one somewhere else. How about the Dead
Indian plateau? The discussion has always been around the viability of the ski and
snowboard area. Why introduce another variable? Parking is and always will be a
problem at Mt. Ashland. I don't think the ski area can afford to give up the parking
spaces that would go to tubers. Afterall, we're talking about the economic viability of
the ski area, not the economic viability of the innertubing industry.
Again, I urge you to choose Alternative 2.
Thanks for listening.
Sincerely,
Frank E. Hoeper
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<awdb@aol.com>
9/30/033:30PM
Mt. Ashland expansion
Dear Mr. Deboer
I expect that you are receiving a lot of e-mails about the Mt.
Ashland expansion. I thank you in advance for reading my comments,
I
will try to be brief.
I guess I should preface this note by saying that I have lived in
Ashland
for 27 years, that I own a house on 3rd street in the Railroad
District, that I have two daughters that were born here, went
through
the Ashland Public school system and that, at one time or another,
we
have all skied on Mt. Ashland,
I was on the proverbial fence about the expansion and so a few
weeks
ago I decided to hike the area to just get a feel for what the
whole
thing is all about. I went by myself so that I wouldn't be
influenced
by anyone else's opinions, What I saw...what I experienced, was a
very powerful jolt of awareness about our watershed. It is
absolutely
beautiful and it is completely amazing that up until this point in
human history, it is untouched by man. I really hadn't understood
that until I actually saw it. I now feel strongly that it should be
preserved the way it is...it's just too precious. To impact it with
large swaths of tree cutting and ground moving for any reason is
just
wrong...that's what I came home with. All the arguments about
silting, about the financial issues of if the project will make or
lose money pale in light of the fact of the preciousness of this
incredible wilderness right in our backyard.. ,actually, it IS our
backyard, I ask you to choose an alternative that has no impact on
on the middlefork drainage.
Thank you for your time and your attention,
John Seligman
248 Third
Ashland, Oregon 97520
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From: Katherine Moritz <kathycallaway@whiz.to>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver -ashland@fs.fed.us>, <council@ashland,oLus>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/7/033:12AM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Proposed Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Katherine Moritz (kathycallaway@whiz,to) on Tuesday, October 07,2003 at 06:12:13
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
As a former Ashland resident and as an Oregonian, I support Alternative 5, minus the Moraine Lodge,
expanded parking, and the LC-13 lift.
Any other choice represents too much damage to irreplaceable old growth and wild areas.
We simply have to draw limits to our incursions on wild areas. This has been, for three decades, the
foundation of Oregon land use planning, It is a sustainable, responsible paradigm that not only protects
other species on this planet, but preserves for our children what we have all had the blessing to enjoy.
Thank you for thinking deeply of our impact on the future,
Katherine Moritz
address: 7661 SW 74th Avenue Portland, Oregon 97223
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From: Laurie Solomon <starfire145@yahoo,com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver -ashland@fs.fed.us>, <council@ashland.or,us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/7/038:46AM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Proposed Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Laurie Solomon (starfire145@yahoo.com) on Tuesday, October 07,2003 at 11 :45:10
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
I am an avid skiier and appreciate the healthful benefits of skiing, both spirtuallyand physically, However I
also believe that it is far more important to preserve the ecosystem elements we depend on for our
tourism revenues and for the quality of life in terms of clean air and water and soil quality for us and for
future generations of people, flora and fauna.
I feel strongly that one of the main sources of income for Oregon that comes from outside the state is not
tourist dollars in the winter, but rather recreational value in the summer. In this failing economy, this is one
of the few reliable revenue sources this state has left, People who live in this region who ski regularly
already are satisfied with the skiing opportunities available at Mt. Bachelor, Hood, and Tahoe, where the
snowfall is more dependable and predictable throughout the ski season, Mt. Ashland will never provide
this kind of reliability weather-wise anytime in the foreseeable future.
As is acknowledged in the DE IS for this proposed project, expanding into the as yet untouched Middle
Branch drainage created risk of degrading water quality, This is an unacceptable risk that mitigation with
sediment traps and other proposals have in the past failed to prevent. Therefore these identical plans can
also be expected to fail to prevent irreversible degradation of watershed soil and water quality in the
Middle Branch Watershed. For this reason alone Alternatives 2,3 and 6 are unacceptable,
A compromise allowing for modest growth of the existing ski area without expansion into the sensitive and
untouched Middle Branch watershed, as is described in Alternative 5, would open up diverse new terrain,
widen existing runs, help relieve congestion, and keep costs down, with far fewer environmental impacts,
The Ashland City Council would be acting in a manner consistent with existing tourism and ecosystem
interests in mind if it instead chose alternative 5 without the expensive Moraine Lodge, expanded parking
and LC-13 lift.
The City of Ashland should call for an open Mt. Ashland Association Board elections by an inclusive
membership, insist on permanent protections for the Middle Branch Watershed in the interest of future
generations, and start long term monitoring of this important pristine watershed that is vital to the
ecosystem integrity of this entire area.
Thank you for considering my comments as a frequent user of forests and ski areas,
-Laurie Solomon
address: 10935 NW 2nd St" Portland, OR 97231
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"Greg Jones" <Liz-Greg@ashlandhome.net>
<council@ashland,or.us>
10/7/038:47AM
Mt. Ashland Expansion
Hello,
As a citizen of this city, I stand in ABSOLUTE SUPPORT of the Mt. Ashland
expansion as defined in the latest DEIS with the preferred alternative
suggested by the Forest Service.
I also find it very disturbing that my elected council has turned this
process into a popularity contest with those that bark the loudest likely
to "win" out. Obstruction masked through environmentalism should not be
given top priority. As elected officials the council needs to weigh the
facts, not the emotion.
Finally, as a scientist I have fully reviewed the material in the DEIS and
find that the expansion proposal is sound. While any development anywhere
will produce effects, I find the hydrological and geomorphological impacts
minimal at best. With proper mitigation and oversight as detailed in the
DEIS, MASA can do a very sound process of expanding the ski area to one
that is more attractive to both locals and tourists.
Greg Jones
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"Tom Pepple" <atmguy@charter.net>
<Council@ashland.or,us>
10/7/039:02AM
Mt Ashland Expansion
Hello:
Being born and raised in the Rogue Valley, I am very proud and thankful
to have a community owned ski area. I learned to ski as a teenager on
Mount Ashland on the worst possible terrain in the Northwest.
Today, I am teaching my own daughter to ski on a much friendlier hill
but there is more work to be done. Parking is ridiculous, the beginner
terrain is still too steep and the intermediate terrain is overcrowded.
The result is more opportunity for collisions and injuries.
I whole heartedly support the expansion of Mount Ashland for the good of
the entire community. The skiing community, the business community and
the youth of our valley,
Please don't be fooled by a small but boisterous special interest group
that has more time on their hands than average working family, Better
yet, go to Mount Ashland on a Saturday afternoon and see for yourself.
You will see a lodge full of families, teenagers, and young people eager
to learn to ski.
We have national forests that see fewer visitors in a year than Mount
Ashland sees in a weekend. Please put the resources we have available
to good use and let Ski Ashland provide the finest amenities they can on
Mount Ashland.
Regards,
Tom Pepple
Medford, OR
541-857 -5104
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From: "Graham, John N" <JohnN.Graham@LibertyMutual.com>
To: "Tina gray" <Tina@ashland.or.us>
Date: 9/23/034:53PM
Subject: RE: Monthly Safety Inspection: B Street Yard, City Yard,Shops, Warehouse, Water
Dept, AFN and Offices
Wow! That was a quick response.
Best days for me are: October: 1 - all day, 2 all day or 7th - all
day, 8th - before 2:00pm and 9th - before 11 :OOam. Otherwise email or
call and I will do what I can. The week of 10/13 on vacation and
10/21-23 Safety Conference. It sounds as though Dan and Ray thought it
best to meet with the committee to evaluate the service and establish an
inspection schedule where ALL committee members participate.
Additionally, it appears this inspection process does not satisfy
OR-OSHA Quarterly Inspection requirements.
Just let me know, I will do my best to attend.
John N. Graham
Sr. Loss Prevention Consultant
541 ,772 .1931 Medford Field Office
541,840.1942 Consultant Cell Phone
541,773.8105 Medford Office Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: Tina gray [mailto:Tina@ashland.or.us]
Sent: Tuesday, September 23,20034:39 PM
To: Graham, John N
Subject: Re: Monthly Safety Inspection: B Street Yard, City Yard,Shops,
Warehouse, Water Dept, AFN and Offices
Thanks John, Sorry I missed this inspection. I have been in meeting
central lately, I'll get with Dan and get our October inspection lined
out. Do you have any days that are better for you that we can target?
Have a great day!
Tina :0)
>>> "Graham, John N" <JohnN,Graham@LibertyMutual.com> 09/23/03 04:35PM
>>> >>>
Hi Tina and Dan, Attached is correspondence, recommendations for
improvement and billing for services provided. Please let me know when
our next meeting with the safety committee is planned. Thanks, John
925 Town Centre Drive, Suite C
Medford, OR 97504
Telephone: (541) 772-1931
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<Rchboss@aoLcom>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/03 2:44PM
mt ash land
Don't let the naysayers win, listen to the reports and let the science tell
the truth. We need the expansion and if any of you have been to Mt. Ashland on
a busy weekend you will realize it is bursting at the seams, and in order to
continue to operate in a safe manner to accommodate all the residents and
visitors it needs to grow. The reports are in and the studies have been completed,
enough time has been put in by the ski area, let them do their job and serve
the community. All ski areas are under assault by the environmental groups
that abound, they want no growth anywhere, but especially ski area's, it's time
to stand up for the residents that you represent and tell them that we can
coexist with the strict regulation that is in place.
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"Owen McDougal" <McDougaO@sou,edu>
<awdb@aol,com>
10/6/033:20PM
Mt.Ashland Expansion
Alan,
I am writing in favor of the Mt.Ashland Ski Area expansion (Option 2).
As a chemistry professor at Southern Oregon University and volunteer Ski
Patrol member at Mt.Ashland, I can honestly say that the Mt.Ashland
expansion is necessary and in the best interest of the community. I am
in the catagory of individuals that have picked Ashland as a home
because it has a ski resort and access to the great outdoors, I am now
in my sixth year at SOU and have a 14 month old daughter. I travel to
Mt.Ashland every weekend in the winter and can think of no better place
for my daughter to learn to ski. Anyone who has spent a lot of time on
the mountain on the weekends or evenings knows that expansion is
necessary. School groups are at the heart of our communities
priorities, yet it is the school groups that crowd the slopes and
present hazards. The kids in this community need a place to recreate
and Mt. Ashland provides that area. Given more space to roam, the
hazard presented by overcrowding on the slopes would be drastically
decreased,
I have listened to the open forum meetings over the past couple of
years debating the DEIS reports, It is a real tragedy to see a very
vocal minority ignore the scientific facts presented. Perhaps I am
calloused from my six years of living in Salt Lake City, UT where
expansion has caused major issues. I can't believe that the modest
expansion proposed on Mt.Ashland will have a significant impact on the
resources of this community. I think it would be a greater catastrophy
to not expand. The benefits provided by the mountain are amazing, To
hear people say that they have been to Mt.Ashland three times in the
past four years and are opposed to the expansion is ludicrous. People
that can't afford to ski because it is so expensive do not take
advantage of the phenomenal season pass value or do not offer to
volunteer their time for a pass. People who use the mountain understand
the tremendous potential. I ask you to reject the outspoken minority
that would rather make a museum out of a recreation area.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Owen McDougal, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Chemistry
Southern Oregon University
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"Scott Ashpole" <sashpole@sweed.com>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/033:15PM
Mt Ashland expansion
Attn: Mr. Alan DeBoer
Dear Mr. DeBoer:
We are indeed obligated to treat our environment with respect and care. Mt Ashland and the Ashland
watershed must be managed with respect. But please, when will enough be enough, We could have
funded almost the entire expansion by now with the money it's taken to satisfy beaucracy and
envirionmental requirements. We are talking about dramatically upgrading a facility that is enjoyed by
thousands while a small vocal minority uses every resource they can to thwart any activity possible. Let's
apply common sense to this issue and allow Mt Ashland to improve for the sake of the entire Rogue Valley
community,
Best Regards,
Scott Ashpole Valley resident since 1958
President
Sweed Machinery Inc
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"PANKS, RICH" <RICPAN@SAFECO.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/6/03 5:04PM
Ashland Council members
Hello my Name is Rich Panks.
I would like to take this time to make it known that I very much approve
of the Mt.Ashland enhancement
The Ski resort provides a vital way for our young folks to have some fun
and blown some teenager / young adult steam off,
Please take the youth of our area into account.. They are our future and
need ways to enjoy their young life's. Remember we were there not so
long ago. I've raised three boy's and all had the mountain to have fun
on. The mountains must have had a huge impact on them. I'm very proud
to say that all three are with the USFS fighting forest fires as we
speak. One of my son's was on the other side of your mountain a year so
back keeping a fire out of The City of Ashland water shed,
Sincerely,
Rich Panks
226 Pearl Dr
Grants Pass, OR.
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<TBOX052@aol,com>
<Fran@ashland.or.us>
10/6/03 5:34PM
Re: drop box on Lithia Way
Fran,
Please send to:
Grey Oaks Development
20462 Sawyer Rd
Shady Cove, OR 97539
Attn: Mike Nadolny/TBS Couriers
I should have gotten it the way it was addressed; however, we are dealing
with the USPS.
Thank You,
Mike Nadolny
Corp Sales Rep
TBS Couriers
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From: "Tom Kennedy" <tkennedy@securityins.com>
To: "Tom B Kennedy" <tkennedy@securityins.com>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<awdb@aol.com>, <dna@mind.net>, <cate@mind.net>, <cehearn@aol.com>,
<katejackson@opendoor.com>, <donlaws@mind.net>, <jmorrison@rvcoy.org>
Date: 10/6/03 5:40PM
Subject: Mt. Ashland expansion.
Dear Council Members:
I watched the council meeting in regards to the expansion of Mt. Ashland
that was held on Sept. 30, last Tuesday. on our TV at home, Actually, I
was in the Council Lobby for a short time, but the audio wasn't able to
compete to other conversations going on at the same time,
It didn't appear to me that there was any obvious effort on the council
members behalf to assert their intentions on following through with the
expansion of Mt.Ashland.
If every member of the council is in agreement that Mt. Ashland should not
be expanded, then there is no need to hope that after the years of effort by
numerous individuals and the desire of the quiet majority to expand the Mt
Ashland ski area, will come to fruition
It appears that there is a small group of people that seem to have the time
to be very active at the right places and at the right time, They have been
very successful in their effort to pursuade the council members that they
should not consider the expansion of Mt. Ashland.
I think that if a poll were to be taken, the council would find that the
majority of the Councils constituents would be in favor of the expansion,
How about checking with your constituents and finding out how the less
polictically active quiet people feel about the expansion?
We have a very special community, in that we have an airport, hospital,
college,theaters, parks, open spaces, and a ski area. There has been
expansion in 6 of the 7 entities mentioned above over the past years, (Not
in the ski area, although.) The expansion was done after much consideration
and I think that most will agree that the process was slow and the end
result was a benefit to the whole communtiy.
The studies on both sides of the situation indicate that there is enough
information and knowledge to allow the expansion that will compliment the
area and not have any negative effect on the water, in my estimation.
Tom Kennedy
209 Crowson Rd.
Ashland, Oregon
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From: AI Vick <manyhats_03@hotmail.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest -rogueriver -ashland@fsJed.us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or,us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo,com>
Date: 10/6/03 6:08PM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Proposed Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
AI Vick (manyhats_03@hotmail.com) on Monday, October 06,2003 at 21 :07:49
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
I am finding it very difficult to believe that there are plans to expand this ski resort at Mt. Ashland in such a
destructive manner! The current expansion plan will devastate some 70 acres of beautiful forest, destroy
valuable wildlife habitat, and will even threaten Ashland's only drinking-water supply, And for what? So that
people can luxuriate, and feed the local economy while remaining oblivious to the destruction they are
causing?
Perhaps you should ask yourselves how many people will want to go to such ski resorts in the future when
all that is natural and clean has been destroyed. It kind of defeats the purpose of it all don't you think? Will
we slowly devastate everything beautiful for short-term gain?
Please put me on record as being adamantly opposed to this project as it is now proposed, There is a
community-based proposal on the table. Please consider this one instead. It makes more sense.
Sincerely,
AIVick
address: 514 East Rock Fayetteville, Ar.
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"Dack Doggett" <skidrumish@charter.net>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/03 6:25PM
MY sincere plea to Mt. Ashland Expansion
To Whom It May Concern:
I am writing this letter in regards to 100% supporting the expansion to Mt.
Ashland.
I am a single 35 year old father of 3 children (11 year old son, 7 year
old daughter, and a just turned 6 year old son). I personally have skied Mt.
Ashland for 20 years, I bought my first pass when I was 17 with my own
hard-earned money, starting on the rope tow when I was 15. I took a one year
break from skiing Mt. Ashland when I was 19 as I had moved to Colorado to
work as a lift operator at Keystone Ski Resort for the 1987-1988 season, I
had a great time skiing in Colorado and considered being a Ski Patrolman, I
took the ski tests with the patrol team and did pretty good for my 4 years
of experience but decided to move back to Oregon and pursue the Grocery
business which I had started when I was 12 (which allowed to me to buy that
unforgettable season pass at Mt. Ashland when I was 17).
While I was in Colorado I skied some fantastic country, from Aspen to
Winter Park, 7 or 8 different resorts in all, but I always longed for and
was proud to tell my new ski bum friends in Colorado about my hidden
treasure in Oregon, Mt. Ashland, A couple of my friends of back then (who
are still close friends) have come to visit me and experience Mt Ashland and
they were blown away at how awesome the Mountain is, Mt. Ashland was
everything I had told them it was. The experience has brought them back to
this area many times. I have never stopped skiing Mt. Ashland year after
year.
My biggest joy to date has been the times I am now sharing on Mt. Ashland
with my children. I purchased ski passes last year for myself and my 3 kids
for under $300 and we used them to the fullest. To have this Mountain so
close and so incredible has brought memories to my children and I for years
to come, and it's not over. I , of course, am buying season passes for the 4
of us and they are already soooooo looking forward to going and improving
over next year. From going to the Ashland Ski Swap and purchasing very
affordable equipment on a single Dad's budget, to splurging at the infamous
Rogue Ski shop for a new pair of Gortex gloves, it is truly family time,
I truly and sincerely support the expansion and growth of Mt. Ashland to
further improve this important asset to this Valley and the families that
are and the families to come....being my grandchildren.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Dack Doggett
Store Manager
Ray's Food Place
735 N Main St.
Phoenix, Or. 97535
Work #541-535-5766
Home #541-665-5828
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Jerome Nitzberg <jsn@mind.net>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/039:21 PM
Mt. Ashland expansion
Dear Mr. DeBoer,
Please read the Draft Environmental Impact Statement regarding the Mt. Ashland Ski Area expansion
before deciding on your stance. It is a thorough and professional Forest Service document addressing the
issues. There is too much misinformation broadcast about the expansion to listen to anyone individual or
group.
I for one think that alternatives 2 and 6 are both viable and safe plans for the expansion.
Thanks for listening.
Jerome Nitzberg
273 Granite St.
Ashland OR
Tel: 4882130
Email: jsn@mind.net
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"bill mead" <billmead@charter.net>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/03 9:05PM
Support Ashland
Hi Alan,
I am sending this email in response to the upcoming decision regarding the Mt. Ashland expansion.
This decision is important for two reasons,
First, it is a huge opportunity for Ashland and the surrounding area to create an environment for many
people to enjoy the outdoors. By increasing capacity, people who otherwise may not experience the
beauty of the Ashland area during winter will have a place to feel a connection with the very environment
most people strive to protect. The result will be more people who care about the environment and its well
being. It also benefits Ashland itself, as more visitors will use hotels, shops, restaurants, etc. which will
create more tax dollars and help the schools.
Second, the creation of seeming anything new in Ashland unfortunately draws protest from often
misintended "activists It. After many years supporting environmental issues, I have sadly realized that
many of my fellow supporters don't seem to understand the differences between true issues, and simply
protesting on behalf of the environment to seemingly just give themselves something to do that sounds
"good" and honorable, The evidence from those opposing any form of expansion do not merit good
science, and seem based on simpilily stopping anything involving a tree, What can be less intrusive than
a ski area to the environment? Water issues are truly a mask to stop expansion,
Do what is right and support some form of expansion. The Ski area desperately needs it. The community
needs it and wants it overwhelmingly. Please do not let a few ruin this opportunity for all of us.
Thanks,
Bill Mead
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"Tom" <ttarnawa@hotmail,com>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/03 10:25PM
Support of Mt. Ashland Expansion
Dear Mayor DeBoer,
In regards to the proposed Mt. Ashland expansion, I hope the facts that are backed up by two decades of
solid analysis and studies in the Forest Service's DEIS are not obfuscated and drowned out by distortions
and panic peddling of a vocal minority,
The benefits of the expansion are manifold to the residents of Southern Oregon. A weekend trip up to the
ski area during the ski season will likely show an overflowing parking area, a crowded lodge with people
sitting on the floor to eat and long lift lines on the slopes. These situations will only deteriorate as the
population of Southern Oregon grows,
The expansion will create a safer environment for beginning skiers, accommodate the growing population
and enhance the recreational value of the ski area.
I consider myself an environmentalist but I believe the increased recreational value to thousands of
Oregonians outweighs the minimal disturbance to the landscape. We should trust the science of the
Forest Service's DEIS and go forward with the Mt. Ashland expansion, it's time has come!
Respectfully Yours,
Thomas Tarnawa
1397 Evergreen Ln.
Ashland, Oregon
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"jef,hen" <jef,hen@charter.net>
<awdb@aoLcom>
10/6/038:33PM
Support of the Mt Ashland Expansion
Mr, DeBoer I have lived in the Phoenix Community since 1980, During this time span I have enjoyed
many days of skiing at Mt. Ashland with my daughters, The expansion is desperately needed and I urge
the members of the City Council to support this wise economic move for our community, The expansion
is good for the community and is needed for safety issues, Sir, if you are a skier then you are aware how
crowded the Mountain can be during peak times, Please support the expansion it is a improvement that
we all will benefit from in the future,
Thank you,
Dawn Hensler
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Joyce Hanlin <jrhanlin@yahoo,com>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/03 8:20PM
Mt. Ashland Expansion
I am a snowboarder, on the varsity team for North Medford. I am a season pass holder. On behalf of me
and my fellow teen-agers, we would like to see the expansion happen since we are the majority of the
riders on Mt. Ashland. We would like to see the Mountain expanded responsibly to benefit snow boarders
and skiers of all ages.
Thank You for your consideration, Jason Hanlin
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Dee Keenan <dee@ramahmaus.com>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/037:58PM
Mt Ashland supporter
Dear Mr. DeBoer:
As ski enthusiasts and ski patrollers we have had the opportunity to ski Mt.
Ashland over many years and have witnessed the care and concern the Mt.
Ashland management has bestowed upon it. We have seen little or no
negligent behavior or mismanagement on their part. As for the environment,
it has maintained its high quality and usefulness to both the skiing
community and the needs of the people of Ashland who depend on its
watershed. We ski other areas in Oregon as well and are amazed at the ease
these other areas have when it comes to expansion and improvements. We can
only surmise that the opponents here are determined to discredit and
undermine a legitimate healthy expansion of Mt. Ashland. There has been no
credible evidence that the expansion is going to harm the watershed! Period.
This is purely a political, selfish move on the part of some individuals who
seek to dominate the recreational environment that we are entitled to enjoy.
Sincerely,
Don and Dee Keenan
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"Lee Wade" <ruthfw@charter.net>
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10/6/03 4:50PM
Mt. Ashland expansion
The Honourable Mayor DeBoer:
While I am not a resident of the City of Ashland, I am a frequent visitor at the Mt Ashland Ski Area. I
enjoy the recreation provided by its operation, and will always be most grateful to the city for stepping up
and taking over the operation. While I believe the operation of the mtn. will remain solvent, I believe that
with the proposed expansion it can become a much more attractive ski area for all levels of users. I have
utilised the ski area from the first year of operation, and will continue for as long as able. I would ask that
you and the city council please forward to the Forest Service a recommendation for the proposal put
forward by the Ski Area staff.
Most Sincerely
Leander F Wade
Phoenix, OR
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10-6-03
Mayor and City Council members
City of Ashland
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
In the twenty-five years that we have lived in both Ashland and Medford we have
seen many positive changes come about. With these changes good and bad will come.
However, in the decision process common sense must prevail and good judgment
must set the standard. As leaders of the community you are all given the responsibility to
do just that, use good judgment. When smear politics takes the place of good sound
reasoning it is your job to stand up and make a decision based on the facts and not
speculation.
My family and I strongly support the expansion ofMt Ashland. It is a gem for
winter activities here in Southern Oregon. The City of Ashland stepped up to save the
mountain many years ago. If this area is not allowed to expand it will be a blow to the
economy and recreation.
Therefore, do what is right and step up again by supporting this worthwhile
endeavor.
Tom Suttle and Family
Medford, Oregon
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<Parkside75@cs.com>
<Awdb@aol.com>
10/6/03 5:27PM
Please support Mt. Ashland expansion
Dear Sir,
Mt. Ashland ski area is the number one reason my son has chosen to live in
Ashland and attend SOU. My family supports the responsible expansion of the
ski
facilities.
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"Jeff Works" <jeffworks@charter.net>
<awdb@aol.com>
10/6/03 3:24PM
Support for the Mt. Ashland Expansion
I can not help but view with disdain the incredible mudslinging and
outright lying a small opposition group in Ashland has engaged in with
respect to the Mt Ashland Expansion. The facts supporting the expansion
are clearly presented in the forest service DEIS yet the opposition has
now resorted to distortion and lies because they oppose any expansion on
the mountain. This small group located in the city of Ashland has put
its own personal interests above those of the vast majority of potential
users who live within the Rogue Valley. In fact this group is pursuing
a course (Le. NO expansion at all) that will certainly increase the
likelihood that Ski Ashland will not survive long term as a viable ski
area. Then they can return the area to its wilderness state and prevent
all but the elite few from having access to this area. I urge you not
to be influenced by this vocal but increasingly radical group that is
out of touch with the needs of the entire Rogue Valley. I remind you
that the Mt. Ashland Ski Area was not saved several years ago by the
people of this valley as a private area for the enjoyment of the people
who live in Ashland. The City of Ashland is simply a steward of a
resource that serves community from Grants Pass to Shady Cove to Medford
to Yreka and to all points in between. Your fiduciary responsibility in
this instance is to this larger constituency, not a vocal group of
twenty or so Ashland citizens who will stop at nothing to get their way.
I urge you to study the Forest Service DEIS carefully and make your
decisions based on the facts and the needs of your entire Rogue Valley
constituency.
Jeff Works
301 Windsor Ave.
Medford, Oregon
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Devon Lyons <devowood@yahoo.com>
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10/6/03 4:52PM
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"AI & Liz Medley" <almedley@charter.net>
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10/6/03 2:37PM
Mt. Ashland expansion proposal
Dear Mayor DeBoer:
I understand the Ashland City Council will meet tomorrow to discuss comments they will make to the US
Forest Service regarding the Mt. Ashland expansion proposal. I feel your staff has recommended a set of
comments that assures the protection of Ashland's water quality while providing for well-conceived
improvements to the ski and snowboard area.
I urge you and other Council members to adopt the staff's recommendations when making your
comments to the US Forest Service.
Last year was my first skiing season at Mt Ashland. It's a nice small area, but I fear for its future if a
reasonable expansion plan is thwarted.
Alfred H. Medley
1091 Rainwood Ln
Grants Pass OR 97527
(541) 956-8573
almedley@charter.net
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"Michael Gandy" <ewhac@jeffnet.org>
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10/6/03 3:46PM
I am in favor of Mt. Ashland expansion
Dear Policymaker,
As both an environmental activist since 1975 and as a skier I find the expansion makes sense and I
support it.
Thanks,
Michael Gandy,
Talent, OR
I am in favor of Mt. Ashland expansion
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"eliz hartwig" <riverat@zworg.com>
<council@ashland.or.us>
10/7/0310:10AM
Mt. Ashland Expansion
Dear Council Members,
I am writing in regards to the proposed Mt. Ashland Expansion. I have
read the DEIS, I am a backcountry skier, and environmental educator. I
have studied forest managment, and understand the relative impacts of
the various proposals. I urge you to support the plan #3 which places
the new lift out of the lowland areas which are suceptible to
compaction, and degredation due to construction, as well as skier, and
snow cat impacts during low snow conditions. I also urge you to make
the most of the structures already existing at Mt. Ashland rather than
building new structures. In addition to this the parking problem at
Mt. Ashland should not be remedied by new construction on the Mountain,
but by the cities effort to shuttle skiers up to the mountain. If
Ashland is such a forward thinking ecologically minded city, why do we
have hundreds of vehicles travelling through our surrounding forests
when alternative transportation can be made available? It is my hope
that the council will recognize the unique nature of building a smarter
resort which recognizes the value of an intact forests and a healthy
watershed when the snows have melted, rather than making irreversible
decisions with unknown outcomes based upon the prospect of a few more
visitors to the Mt. Ashland ski area. Thank you for your sevice to the
community, and I hope that my comments are regarded during the decision
process for the future of Mt. Ashland.
Sincerely,
John D. Malloy
Graduate Student at
Southern Oregon University
malloyj@students.sou.edu
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"Jennifer Comparan" <jennandenrique@hotmail.com>
<ann@ashland.or.us>
10/7/0311 :21AM
Mt. Ashland Expansion
Hello-
I am not sure if you are the person to write, but yours was the only email address I could find on the City of
Ashland website.
I am writing to express my view on the expansion of Mt. Ashland. Will you please forward to the 'right
people'? Thank you.
I would like to prevail upon the City of Ashland to stop the expansion at Mt. Ashland. It will endanger a so
far untouched area of the wilderness on that fantastic mountain, and will only contribute to the already
rampant urbanification of the area.
Let's keep Ashland small, quaint, and idyllic. A refuge for all who enter to relax during a vacation, to see a
show, to bring their children to play, to ski down amazing runs...
Succumbing to what the masses seem to want is reckless, because their wants change so quickly. It must
tantalize those who think only in terms of dollars, this idea of expanding the mountain. But to locals who
actually ski the mountain, it is no less than a violation of our rights (and the rights of the living organisms
who call that area home).
Please understand that this is something the skiiers of Ahsland, Talent, Medford, and the entire region
implore you to stop.
With respect,
Jennifer Comparan
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From: david bryan <davidhbryanjr@hotmail.com>
To: <comments-pacificnorthwest-rogueriver -ashland@fs.fed.us>, <council@ashland.or.us>,
<berteauf@ashland.or.us>, <wildmountashland@yahoo.com>
Date: 10/7/0312:16PM
Subject: Concerns About Negative Impacts of Proposed Mt. Ashland Ski Area Expansion
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
david bryan (davidhbryanjr@hotmail.com) on Tuesday, October 07,2003 at 15:14:49
message: Dear US Forest Service, Ashland City Council, & Mayor DeBoer,
Greetings folks. I have good friends in the Ashland area, who have alerted me of this issue. I feel that
this needs rethinking on your part. Environmental impact ass ide, the economics of this proposal do not
make sense. As a builder and a business man, your plan will put you in too much of a hole. The area has
seen inconsistencies in snowpack in the last few years. Even with snowmaking, which as you know is very
costly, can the ski area reap enough financial rewards to justify the pillaging of one of southern Oregon's
most beautiful landscapes? I live in the southern Appalachians, an area in which very little is held more
sacred than the almighty dollar. Very little scenery is without a house. The air and water qualities are
degrading at a tremendous rate, and people with large bank accounts can mar the scenery for their own
financial gains. Please rethink this plan. Growth is inevitable, but allow it to progress at a more
SUSTAINABLE rate. Thank you for your time.
Source: This comment was sent to you by the individual named above via the Wild Mount Ashland
website at http://www.mountashland.com. Comments are individually submitted through the site and
represent the concerns and opinions of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Wild Mount
Ashland.
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COMMENTS REGARDING MT. ASHLAND EXPANSION
Dear Members of the Ashland City Council,
The fact that skiing and snowboarding is extremely fun, and provides all kinds of
benefits to society and us; is something that a large percentage of people can agree on.
How to get to the top of which mountain and where to glide down is where it can get
complicated. Skiing and snowboarding on public land, where there is a chairlift to take
you to the top, and a building to get in and out of the weather; is a privilege that should
not be taken lightly. Ski areas are not without their impacts to the land they occupy. We
have a chance at Mt. Ashland to do the best we can to balance mechanized recreation
with a healthy ecosystem. There is a point where the effects of actions on the land are not
worth the consequences that come out of those actions.
As the owners of equipment, buildings, lifts, and holders of the permit for the
operation of the ski facility on Mt. Ashland; the city has a lot to consider with regards to
activities at the ski area. The most obvious concern being the fact that Mt. Ashland ski
area is at the top of the municipal watershed.
The Mt. Ashland ski area is a wonderful asset to have so close to where we all live. I
will be the first to agree that the ski area is in need of improvements. What those
improvements should be and in what order and priority is where I disagree with the folks
that currently run this community owned ski area. Here are some of the big points:
. How and why did our community ski area become a "Resort"?
. Why are skier services; lodge improvements, ticket booths etc. in phase #3 of Mt.
Ashland Associations (MAA) expansion plan?
. Why are the novice terrain improvements close to the lodge not included at all, or
in phase #3 ofMAA's expansion plan? (Phase #3 is optional depending on
funding, according to MAA)
. Why has the season pass price gone down and stayed the same for the last three
years while the daily lift ticket price continues to rise each year
. Why has MAA continued to push for an expansion plan for our community ski
area, which a large percentage of citizens have opposed?
While I do agree that improvements are needed at Mt. Ashland ski area, I feel
strongly that there should be no developed ski runs or lifts in the Middle Branch of the
East Fork of Ashland creek. There are many reasons for not altering this area, not the
least of which is that there is a lot of water there and the soils are of a fragile nature.
Although there are some soil scientists who feel any impacts can be mitigated, there are
some scientists who disagree. Who should we trust, scientists from Colorado who are
hired to make a plan work or scientists who have been studying this area for 20 to 30
years? This Middle Branch area is very pristine and I think we should keep it that way. It
is an intact functioning model watershed that should be left unaltered.
Much has been said by MAA about how we need more novice, beginner, and
intermediate terrain. I feel we can get this without going into the Middle Branch. I have
been working with a group of skiers and snowboarders for the last year and a half on a
way to improve the ski facility without developing in the middle branch. We have come
up with what we believe is a workable plan which we gave to both the Forest Service and
Ski Ashland. Management at Ski Ashland was not interested. The Forest Service took our
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plan and crafted Alternative #3 in the current DEIS. This alternative is close to what we
came up with a couple differences.
#1 We had the new lift more up on the ridge and not as far down in the Middle
Branch.
#2 We feel strongly that instead of building new parking, we should look at a shuttle
system to run on busy weekends and holidays. The access road can be very dangerous
and to put more cars with drivers of questionable ski11level will only increase accidents.
A shuttle would be safer, and way more environmentally conscious.
#3 We feel that the existing lodge is inadequate and inefficient. These problems can
be addressed with a well thought out remodel, adding space and increasing energy
efficiency, but MAA has no interest in fixing this lodge, they just want to build another
one, but not till phase #3,
Mt Ashland Ski Area could use some help and improvements to keep up with the
existing and growing population of the Rogue Valley. To try to make it into a "Resort"
like Mt. Bachelor would be a grave mistake. Instead, what about looking at what Mt.
Ashland HAS as well as what it doesn't have. Wouldn't it be great if we could be
recognized as having the most environmentally friendly ski area in the country? Ifwe as
a community were to truly work together we could make this the best little community
ski area in North America.
Altering the landscape is something irreversible, once we change, disrupt, and
disturb, we can never put it back to what it was. These decisions need to be considered
very seriously. This land belongs to all Americans and we need to honor that. Much time
and money has been spent on studying this expansion proposal. There are some that
believe that since so much has been spent "we just need to move forward and get it
done".
Perhaps it is time for the Mount Ashland Association to accept the fact that there are
other perspectives and desires that have just as much validity as theirs that need to be
considered for the good of the whole community and the health of our watershed
I am asking the City Council to support improvements to our ski area that stay out of
the Middle Branch of the East Fork of Ashland Creek. I also wish for more community
participation in the decisions that govern our wonderful little ski area.
Sincerely,
Chris Fowler
966 Tyler Creek Rd.
Ashland
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