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Exhibit S T 'Is and Open Space Plan Ashland Parks" ~~I Adopted 7/2/02 d AcqUIsItIons, Propose ;., z ,-<~-- EP,;~LE MILL RD /0' ~ z ~ t: ~ _..:0. -- !', \ INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN JACKSON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ASHLAND 6-1' , L. THIS AGREEMENT is entered into this -L day of 1~~ ' by Jackson County ("County") and the City of Ashland ("Ashland"). WHEREAS, A. County intends to pass a bond measure in the May 2000 primary election for capital construction and improvements of the entire county library system, including the Ashland Branch L..ibrary: The Ashland Branch library is located on the following described property which is further referred to in this agreement as "the premises": All of lots 1,2, 3 and 4 of Pracht's Addition to the City of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon. B. Ashland passed a bond measure in the amount of $5.96 million in November, 1999 for capital construction and improvements to the Ashland Branch of the Jackson County I.Jpr~ry system ("Ashland Branch"), of which $5.85 million would be allocated to construction costs; and C. The parties wish to avoid unnecessary expense and duplication and to coordinate the expenditure of public funds on the Ashland Branch such that if the countywide measure passes, it will eliminate the need for sale of the Ashland bonds, THE'REFORE, the parties, in consideration of the mutual promises, terms and conditions provided below, agree to the following: 1. If the bond election is held on May 16, 2000, Ashland will delay sale of the bonds authorized in the November 1999 election until the result of the May 2000 election is known. 2. If the countywide bond measure passes on May 16, 2000, Ashland will not sell its previously authorized bonds and County will provide a grant to Ashland in the amount of $5.85 million for purposes authorized in the County's bond measure. Those purposes are capital construction and improvements associated with the expansion and renovation of Ashland's city-owned lib~ry building, including furniture and equipment (the ~;!btarY Project"). 3. The County will provide the grant funds to Ashland by September 17, 2000, or within 30 days of the County bond sale, whichever date is sooner. The grant funds will be provided upon the terms and conditions specified in this agreement, there being no further requirement that the parties enter into a separate grant agreement. Ashland covenants to use those funds in accordance with the County ballot title. Ashland may invest the funds and keep the eamings, so long as such investment is pursuant to County investment policy and County's tax certificate. 1- Mpt~1'y Intergovernmental Agreement F:\U$R\Pl\~\AGRI!:~\Wl;lrlil'Y IGA coundllsl drafl127.wpd 4. If the countywide library bond measure does not pass, this agreement is void in its entirety. 5. Ashland shall construct and complete the Library Project. Ashland shall consult with the Library Improvement Committee and the County Library Director and County Facility Director as to design elements of the Library Project which may affect County's costs in the operation and maintenance of the library. Ashland will adopt and utilize their recommendations that address operation and maintenance to the extent such recommendations are practicable, within the Library Project budget and do not otherwise increase costs so as to exceed the amount of grant funds. In any event, for purposes of compatibility only, County has final decision on design and purchase of telecommunications, wiring, equipment, and all computer hardware and software issues. . 6. If the amount of the grant is exceeded for the construction and completion of the Library Project, Ashland shall be responsible for any such excess costs. 6.1. If the Library Project is constructed and completed for less than the grant amount, any remaining principal amounts shall be paid over to the County immediately upon substantial completion. County will use these funds in its discretion for other purposes authorized by the bond election. 6.2. The County shall be responsible for all bond issuance costs. 7,Ashlandwillown the real property improvements and fixtures. County will own furniture and equipment constructed or purchased for the Library Project. County will manage those assets and is free to maintain, repair or replace furniture and equipment in its sole discretion. 7.1. Upon substantial completion of the Library Project, the agreement dated May 22, 1970, between the County and Ashland regarding the Ashland Public Library (the "1970 agreement") shall terminate and the parties shall enter into a new intergovernmental agreement regarding their roles and responsibilities. Until such time as the new intergovernmental agreement is consummated, the terms and conditions of this intergovernmental agreement shall control. 7.2. County will maintain and operate a free public library for the benefit of, and uniformly available on the same terms to all members of the public in Jackson County and to use for these purposes the property and property interests furnished by Ashland. All books, furniture, furnishings and equipment previously transferred to the County pursuant to the 1970 agreement shall remain the property of the County, and the transferred 3t:tl:iRespearean Library shall remain the property of the Oregon Shakespeare Festival Association. 7.3. County will decide on level of service and budget allocations, in its total discretion. 7.~.dlJ!the~YenttheGounty, for any reason, should cease to operate a County- wide librarY system, or a library at this location, then, and in that event: 7.4.1. All the right, title, and interest in and to all of the books, furniture, 2- Library Intergovernmental Agreement F:\USER\PAUL\AGREE\library IGA council 1st draft 127.wpd furnishings and equipment previously transferred to the County under the 1970 agreement and which has not been discarded due to obsolescence, shall revert to Ashland. 7.4.2. This agreement shall be null and void and Ashland shall have the right to immediate possession of the premises. 7.5. Both parties agree and promise that the Ashland Branch library and the land it will occupy, including the existing building and land, will be used only for public library purposes for as long as indebtedness remains outstanding on any bonds sold pursuant to the countywide bond election for library capital improvements. Neither party shall allow any use of the premises for any private purpose, nor take any other action which compromises the tax-exempt status of those bonds; this promise shall be enforceable by injunctive, declaratory or other relief. In any event, if either party breaches this specific promise, it shall indemnify the other party and all bondholders from any resulting tax or financial impact. 7.6. Except as provided in this subsection, upon substantial completion of the project, Ashland shall be under no obligation to make or perform any repairs, maintenance, replacements, alterations, or improvements on the premises. County, at its expense, shall keep the premises in good repair, operating condition, working order, and appearance, including, without limitation: 7.6.1. Repairs and maintenance of the roof and gutters, exterior walls (including painting), bearing walls, structural members, floor slabs, and foundation. 7.6.2. Repair and maintenance of exterior water, sewage, gas, and electrical services from the point of entry to the premises. 7.6.3. Repair of the heating and air conditioning system including ordinary maintenance. 7.6.4. Repair of interior walls, ceilings, doors, windows, and related hardware, light fixtures, switches, and wiring and plumbing. Notwithstanding the above-listed obligations of County in this subsection, AsHlahdshallbE;! ~g$QQn$ible(a)for the repairs and maintenance of any installed solar panels, (b) for the repairs and maintenance of any other improvements mutually identified by the County and Ashland as requiring extraordinary maintenance or repairs and which were installed to meet Ashland's environmentally responsible building standards, and (c) to maintain in good, safe and presentable condition that part of the premises comprising the grounds and approaches to the library, including sidewalks, driveways, curbs and parking areas located on the premises. 8. This agreement is made upon the express condition that, except as set forth below, Ashland shall be free from all liabilities and claims for damages and/or suits for or by reason of any injury or injuries to any person or persons or property of any kind whatsoever, whether the person or property of County, its agents or employees, or third persons, from any cause or causes whatsoever while in or upon the premises or any part thereof during the term of this agreement or occasioned by any occupancy or use of the premises or any activity carried on by County in connection therewith, and County hereby covenants and agrees to indemnify and save harmless Ashland from all liabilities, charges, expenses (including counsel fees) and costs on account of or by reason of any such injuries, liabilities, claims, suits or losses however occurring or damages growing out of same. 3- Library Intergovernmental Agreement F:\USER\PAUL\AGREE\Library IGA council1s1 draft 127.wpd County shall be free from all liabilities and claims for damages and/or suits for or by reason of any injury or injuries to any person or persons or property of any kind whatsoever, whether the person or property of Ashland, its agents or employees, or third persons, from any cause or causes whatsoever while in or upon that portion of the premises comprising the grounds and approaches to the library, and Ashland hereby covenants and agrees to indemnify and save harmless County from aI/liabilities, charges, expenses (inclUding counsel fees) and costs on account of or by reason of any such injuries, liabilities, claims, suits or losses however occurring or damages growing out of same. 9. Except as set forth below, County agrees to assume all risks of loss, injury or damages of any kind or nature whatsoever to any building or other structure on the premises, which may be now or hereafter placed upon the premises, and all risks of loss, injury, or damage of any kind or nature Whatsoever to the contents of any such building or structures, or to any goods, merchandise, chattels, or any other property now or that may hereafter be upon the premises, whether belonging to the County or others. and whether such loss, injury, or damage results from fire or other agency, and whether the same be caused by the negligence of Ashland, or any of its employees or agents. or otherwise, and to save and keep harmless Ashland from a/l claims and suits growing out of any such loss, injury or damage. 10. Despite the terms of paragraphs 8 and 9, County does not indemnify Ashland or any other person or entity from any risk. loss or liability due to defective design or negligent construction of the building. In the event of loss or litigation arising from the design or construction of the building. there is no agreement between the parties as to indemnity or contribution. 11. The term of this agreement is 50 years beginning on the date first mentioned on page one. CITY OF ASHLAND, ----- " ( / BY~- ~fr1~~ Title Date: ~;L - d- <"YD JAC~OUNTY BY / ~ i ..l Lo-c__~ !/ / Title Date: J-j1.J1 /6v REVIEWED AS TO FORM: :PM,J~ ~ 1unt nsei ---.... City Attorney 4- Library Intergovernmental Agreement F:IUSERIPAUL\AGREEILibrary IGA council 1st draft 127.wpd Vol Pg BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS STATE OF OREGON, COUNTY OF JACKSON IN THE MATTER OF AUTHORIZING THE ) COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE AN ) INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN ) JACKSON COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ASHLAND ) REGARDING THE ASHLAND LIBRARY PROJECT ) ORDER NO. C 7-00 WHEREAS, Ashland previously passed a $5.96 million bond measure for capital construction and improvements to the Ashland Branch Library; WHEREAS, Jackson County intends to pass a bond measure in the May 2000 primary ejection for capital construction and improvements of the entire county library system, including the Ashland Branch Library; and WHEREAS, if the county's library measure passes in May, Ashland will not sell its previously authorized bonds, and the county will provide $5.85 million for the Ashland library project, coordinating the expenditure of public funds. Now, therefore, The Board of County Commissioners of Jackson County ORDERS: The County Administrator is hereby authorized to execute an intergovernmental agreement between Jackson County and the city of Ashland regarding the Ashland library project. DATED this 29th day of February, 2000, at Medford, Oregon. JACKSON COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS c- ~#~L~ Ja alker, Chair ~ , -.---- ('- ORDER - I (;7-(J() AGREE'lnn TIllS :\(;ltEE:il.:~;T. i,lade this _LZ-._nd (l:l;r of :l.:1y, 1~7a, h ~ t h' e C Jl J ,\ C J(,<;(1 >: C OIl' ~ n-, a pol i tic ,11 sub J i vis ion 0 f t ) 1C S tat c 0 f OT~~;Ojl, hereinuftcr c3.11c<l the "COUIlty," am! the CITY or M;:iLA;-W, ann !- e ::..: 0 il m u n 5, ci. p ;[ 1 C (1 ~. I' '':H a t ion, I1/:.: rei Il ciF ll~ reo. 11 c J t It c "C i t Y , II :i ~ ma,1~ unJcr tile (l~Jthori ty of ORS Ch3pter 357. 1. In consideration of the County's prori1lSeS , . I\~TCln- after cunt.1 inc,!, the Ci ty a?rees: .1.. To lease to the County for $1.00 reT )'e<11 the fcllO'.linr, descrihed real property: The Southeastorly 35 fcet of Lot 2, anJ all of Lot 3 and all of Lot 4 of the PRACHT'S l\DDn' IOj'~ to the Ci ty of Ashland, Jackson COl!;ity, Oregon. for a. tern! of fifty (50) yerlrs. or for so 101~~ 85 tlJC said :;tructure is used by the County [or pur.lic frcc 1 j brury pUTI'oscs ;}nd no part thcr-::of faT any other f;url'o~; c . b. To trarlsfer to the County ;111 the right, tjtle ;~lld inteT~st of the City in ;].nd to ;111 books, fur n it II r (' r fur: lis 1 Ii n ~ s :1 n n e '111 i YJl1 C n t sit U ate d Iv i t h i n the ::;:li(1 hll1 Idi.nf', ~lld all hook" and vehicles, Hhcyc"cr sit 1I:1 t (' d I :-H C' c; C )1 t ) y }, c 1 d =1 n d u 5 (~ J for, 0 l' a s r art 0 f 1 tlle rU!lli,c,:- [1':':c liLr;,TY. It is L;ndcrstoocl t~l;tt the "Sll~lk,::,,!,:;.-H('.li1 Lj:';-":lrV" is not oh'ncd by the C~,ty (if /1.;hl;:l'rI, ~Jllt j.; tJ',':lc.d 1'\1 C:c Orcg(1!l ~h(lkcspe(lrc(Jn F'-'sti\':J! ^s"r,ci~~~i(1;l ;tJld desit:llatcd :-is stiehl ~jld this cnlL:;:fi( n jc:: 1'0~: il~(:1I1cl((1 ill LItis tLII1<;fcr. hut shall r(~ll(ili t';r ill',.) i /', i. L y \If Lill. 1':"':,'0:1 .S:i:l:,':"';,c:.,ycaJl , ' ~c:-;tiV[11 ,", '::' r) C i;, l : 011 . c. Te linLdn in ~~oo(l, sClfe a;\d 'csentable conditior'. th,lt part of the above descrihed p-roperty C01;1prisiw< tne r.rounds and appT'oachcs to the library. 2. The County agrees that it sh,Jll~ fn1Fl and ~ftcr the effective <btc hereof, i<linteli]>. :1T1(1 operate a free pubiic: liln"ary for the henefit of, and tlDifon.\ly aV;JUahlc on the s"rnc terns to all J.lcl~l)crs oi th~ j1uhlic in JE1cLs<m Count.y, Ofe;;on, and to 1J ~ C [0 r 5 3 i (I P l~ Y f' 0 5 8 the p r () per t y an cl p r () per t y i n t C T cst s hereby furnisheu by the City; that the County 511:111 ccntir:uc to employ the persC'l1s presently emploY0.J hy the City in the OJlF;T?tion of the said libr~rf, if, and for so long as, such CQployees conti nue to render f in ti:e County I s j ud[:l;\ent, conpetent and 5 a tis f net 0 T Y S c r v ice i n '~ h e i r f' 0:; i t ion s (1 S 5 U c h, an J s h :111 particirate in the PulJlic E:fJployccs I RetiTf~nent Syste!~ ::lS to those libr:lry E'mployees lillo, as of the date of this cont:cilct 31:e, <1.n\l elect to continue to 'he, l~:'r\hers of thE' Puhlic [~lrloYCC51 p.~ti-rC'_leflt Systcr1, but ill nIl other rcsrecL~ tbe tenl~~ of SUC~-i emploYIr.f~nt s'hallue based entirely upon slier. ~)'ste:l~sp pror.rnllls. rates and s t ,l !1 d a r d s as the Co 11 n t y n" y p T C ~, C rib e . 3. The !"lartiee; ~,-~rec th3t, as far as practicable, th(> cost of the operCltion of the lihrary shall be borne uniformly by all rcsidents of the Coun'i:y and neithcr pa::ty sh,,11 seek to ir.,pose Any char[:c or tax for libr,ll'y purpo::,f.'s urOD Pen)' part of the COLlIlty llnless the tnx or chtHfC i~ ~~j'plicl\ble 1l11ifornly and on the' ~.3nc terms thTourhrJut the Count"!. 4. The p:,rties ~;'rcc <Inll it is llpderstoou th~t in t1IC (' '! e n t t h ~ Co till t Y 1 [ 0 r "n y r ~' ; 1 ~ (l 11, :~ 11 \:: U 1 tI c c (\ set () 0 r era 1: c a Co U E ~ Y - "irk lihT:1ry S)'5t~1Il <1<~ provi.ded ]\cr(~in. th:f\, f1I\I\ in th~t event, II 11 the d_ f', h t ~ tit 1 (' :l 11 d i il t C' r (' q_ i n ::1 Tl d to:'. 11 (J f the h 0 0 b; . r urn i tUre. , . funli shiJli:~~ 0lill ~'1uil'n<~i1t Hhj~il \-JfiS ~r;lnsferrcJ to the Coun t Y und8r thi S <:19 r t" nt <:md hC)s not been di see.:' 'ed due to ob::;olesccnce, shail revert to the City or .l\shland. 5. Thi s agrcE5,;cn tis m':Jde l:(JOl'1 the express condi ti ~Jn thu t the Lessor sh:~11 L;(; free fr0m all 1i<:\0; 1i ti0S <:ii-Ie! clc..im~; fc.'r l::.Hn~lg~s c.1lld/or sui t~; f()( (),- OJ rec)~():-I of allY in~I_J(Y ~r injuri?~ to ::1r,;' p8r .son or p<:;j-s(m~; or r'ro::Ji~:- ty of any k'i (-Jl \j~-d l:S()2Ver, \!hi-2tk::r th2 perSall or prOp'2rty of Lessc2, its eJSj,::nts or. Gnp 10ye<;;;, or' th 1 rc! "'0"''- frO'.-;'l ~_'lny ca'.' <::;:-, 01' c"u~"... .'- . '0 '.I-~ \hl"I- l'rl 0" urOl) 'I per::, : t.:> , , '--' ~ :c.. - 0 .::, e J ...' i I,J C;:, .:: v l; I oj e ,.), S (] 1 (j pru.ll..;es or allY p3rt ~h2rcof dui'ing tile te:rr.i 01' t:l1S uClr~~c.L,n:: or occ.:::.sioned by any Occup2.ncy 0;' us!'; 0." sCJid p((m~ses o. ':lilY actlv'l t.y curried 0:-. by L02:J~::;2 ir. 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' , ',<_/\.. - "l ..- -. ---- --- .--- - 'i ;' '--/~>/~ ;;4 .' /' l '~/ ... - ~U/__L 1-'-' - f:.c~uu Jackson County Study Session January 16,2006 Jack Walker: "We haven't made the effort by the board or by the public in this community to go out and re-energize an industry that we all know built every building you're looking at except for this one and it was done without any basic, any property tax, any income tax. And those were days that could return and we're not having any effort by the public to do that. "I've questioned some of our legislators: 'Have you gotten calls from the people who should be interested in bringing on this industry. .. and, and they're not, they're not getting the kind of calls that I think should be the effort by the public today. "Y ou 've got an industry that could bring in huge amounts of money and yet we're not willing to do it because of a political view or whatever. But I don't support it simply because of that. When you're going after $9 million dollars with a $30 million dollar type of revenue source, I just don't believe it. "Seven years ago when we made the efforts towards trying to get the forest- school funding, we had many discussions including with the timber industry and what was our goal and our goal was that this was going to be a bridge toward a financial solution for this county. "The timber industry had their doubts that we would ever do it and once we got our money we would drop them and I think that's what we've done. "My conversations with Senator Wyden, Walden and everybody I've had a conversation with is based around another offer of a bridge funding to get us 5-6 years down the road so long-term solutions can be dealt with but if we don't have the interest of this community to go out and create this industry that provided us with all. .. with everything you see out there including both buildings across the street.... If there's no interest in that, then there IS no long-term solution. "I'm not willing to offer 1 % increase of an income tax as that permanent solution for the county. But I think there are some opportunities that if we all got on the bandwagon now and we all headed in the same direction, we could solve this. "But if politically you can't see supporting a timber industry here again, then 1 guess this is dead in the water." CW: "The county is in a much better position from a financial standpoint. "We're not alone in our embarrassment about the fact we may have to close our libraries and the key word is 'may.' "The action we took in relationship to the notice to go out by April was done for budgetary reasons and Ronnie understands that... and understands that the library is fully funded 'til the end of the year but in order for us to meet that budget line we have to send out notices so that we don't expend the budget beyond the line. "The 1 % proposal that's $30 million in estimated revenue which will probably be less because now we learn the state will siphon off 10% of that in collection which is a pretty substantial amount of money and that puts us right about the same level. "But the other thing is that some of these other departments are in better financial shape and don't need that money. "Some of the other general fund programs that we've had we don't necessarily need to have them funded because of the changes we've made in the course of the process... We may be talking about something less." Jack Walker: "I contend that we need to go back and look back to when. .. somewhere along the line we have to get back to where we were in the 70's."