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REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 12, 2000
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Mike Gardiner called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. Other Commissioners present were John Fields,
Marilyn Briggs, Ray Kistler, Russ Chapman, Mike Morris, Chris Hearn and Alex Amarotico. Kerry KenCairn was
absent. Staff present were John McLaughlin, Bill Molnar, Mark Knox, and Sue Yates.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
- The Minutes of the August 8, 2000 Regular Meeting and the August 22, 2000 Study
Session were approved.
PUBLIC FORUM
- No one came forth speak.
TYPE II PUBLIC HEARINGS
PLANNING ACTION 2000-045
REQUEST FOR A SITE REVIEW, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, VARIANCE AND TWO ADMINISTRATIVE
VARIANCES TO THE CITY’S SITE DESIGN AND USE STANDARDS FOR CONSTRUCTION OF AN
APPROXIMATELY 5,725 SQUARE FOOT ALIGNMENT BUILDING AND FREESTANDING TRUCK CANOPY
FOR THE BUSINESS.
2308 ASHLAND STREET
APPLICANT: L S CONSTRUCTION CO.
Site Visits and Ex Parte Contacts - A site visit was held on Monday, August 7th at 4:00 p.m. Commissioners
Gardiner, Kistler, Briggs, Morris and Chapman were in attendance with Mark Knox leading the visit.
STAFF REPORT
Knox stated the applicable criteria for this application are found in AMC 18.104, 18.72, 18.100, and 18.72.090. This
action has been continued from last month. The applicants have submitted additional information and are still
proposing basically the same plan as submitted last month.
At the conclusion of last month’s meeting the Commission asked the applicant to resubmit a plan and apply for a
Variance. The applicants have submitted a plan showing a driveway location aligned with the driveway easement
that serves the back property. The applicants were asked to submit a plan that met the design standards showing
the building within 20 feet of the street or otherwise have some type of plazascape in between. The other
administrative variance was for the floor area ratio requirement. Lastly, the applicants were asked if they could not
meet the last two requirements to illustrate why they cannot be met. The applicants have submitted plans that are
contained in the record. Staff received the plans last Tuesday and did not have a lot of time to analyze the plans but
have identified some problems. The site plan is not to scale and the cross-section does not show the full length of
the property. The rendering shows the building along Ashland Street with a landscaped area between the building
and the sidewalk with bike parking and sitting tables. In the packet there is a rendering done by a member of the
Planning Staff showing a softened look on Ashland Street. Knox is trying to invoke some thought from the
Commissioners and applicants with this rendering.
Staff has tried to steer the applicants in a positive direction by suggesting they look at certain sites around town and
certain grading techniques and also suggesting they find a design professional skilled in urban planning and
design. Staff’s overall recommendation has not changed from last month. There are still options available that the
applicant has not yet explored that would allow them to meet the required design standards with no site review
variances. Staff believes the applicants meet the criteria for the Conditional Use Permit and driveway Variance but
do not meet the criteria nor have they provided definitive evidence for the two administrative Variances required
under the Site Review permit.
PUBLIC HEARING
CHRISTINE FARRELL, Les Schwab Construction, P. O. Box 667, Prineville, OR 97754, explained there are
demonstrable difficulty in meeting the specific requirements because of the unusual aspects of the proposed use of
the site. Staff has compared Schwab’s site to Wendy’s. Wendy’s does not have vehicles in the wintertime
circulating around its site, moving in and out of canopies, and otherwise interacting between trucks and passenger
vehicles. They have tried to show why the location of the building at the 20 foot setback does not work.
RYAN WILLIS, Les Schwab Construction, discussed the renderings and their concern about the amount of fill
needed to go from the bottom of the door to the grade level and changes in grade.
Farrell said this is an expansion of the existing facility. The new facility has to work together with the existing
facility. It is not an option to change the grade of the existing facility.
Willis is concerned about excessive slopes and ADA issues. He explained the drawings were not to scale for ease
in reading.
LARRY McMICHAEL, Les Schwab Construction, explained they are trying to get an alignment center and
accommodate truck flow. With the existing topography they need to maintain an elevation of {510}. If they maintain
the elevation with the truck traffic coming off Ashland Street, they want to keep the elevation as level as they can. If
they do that, then there is a grade problem between that and the alignment center. They want to use the back of
the building to be able to maintain a wall that would be part of the building and still maintain the elevation of the
property for the truck traffic. If they wanted to change the elevation in the back parking lot and cut off the access
that Staff has recommended there is not a reason because they cannot alter the {510} elevation and still get trucks
around there, especially in Ashland in the wintertime with snow and ice. Another option they looked at was putting
the building totally to the back of the property with parking in front which does not meet the design standards. Willis
added that the building would have to be elevated or there could be drainage problems as well unless the building
is raised up.
JOHN FREEDOM, 442 Holly Street, said the Commissioners are being asked to consider a variance from the
standard that was set down some years ago as a result of an extraordinary collaborative effort by a group of people
who were concerned about the development practices that were unfolding in the City of Ashland. While Les
Schwab is an important part of the community, we have to be absolutely certain when we process a request for a
variance, that we are looking at how Ashland Street is going to look in ten years. Freedom is not convinced all the
avenues for this expansion have been approached. He is asking the Commissioners to re-visit particularly the
policies and goals of the Comprehensive so they have a complete backing of the spirit of the Comprehensive Plan
to reinforce their decision.
Chapman asked if it is still Staff’s position that the grading can be done? Knox does not understand if they drop the
grade from {510} to {508) why there could not be some type of drain system.
McLaughlin said the canopy area is close to {508} now. It has been his experience that there are solutions to the
drainage system because of the other sloping sites in Ashland. It seems there are still opportunities for a building
to enhance Ashland Street in a greater way than their original proposal.
Kistler asked for an explanation of why they are not involving an architect because of the size of the building.
McLaughlin said he spoke with the City Attorney. Nowhere in our ordinance do we require plans be designed by a
licensed architect. It is not a criteria the Commissioners can use. In the ORS there is a section on limitations on
what designers can do versus architects. Even though it has not been the Commission’s practice in the past to
require that plans be prepared by a licensed architect, the Commission can find that if the information is not
meeting what is appropriate to the site that a licensed architect or engineer would be helpful in getting the design
that meet the City’s standards.
Rebuttal
Farrell said they are not asking for a change in the Comprehensive Plan but an administrative variance based upon
the unique aspect of their use. They are a vehicle oriented business. They want to better serve the community by
improving their facility in a safe, convenient manner. If they are required to hire a licensed engineer, they will come
back with the same result. She is not sure it is even legal.
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McMichaels said they do use licensed engineers and architects.
Farrell said they are asking for a variance from the 20 foot setback from the public sidewalk. They are requesting
this variance because they have determined through their investigations that facing the bays toward the back won’t
work because of the grade, the use, and because of their requirements for truck circulation around the site. They
have to face the bays toward the front and they need room between the building and sidewalk for vehicles to
maneuver, therefore, the building needs to be set back more than 20 feet. Can they face the bays toward the front
of the property and still meet the objective for the street design? She believes they can do that.
McLaughlin agreed that the Commission cannot legally require the applicants to hire a licensed architect. It can be
a recommendation. There is a balance of meeting the purpose and intent of the Site Review Ordinance which
includes pedestrian, mass transit and bicycle facilities as well as meeting the needs of the site (business). Staff
understands the desired needs and the grade plan but the mitigating factors for the variances have not been seen
yet.
Briggs said when looking at the Wendy’s site, “aggressive bulldozing” was the expression used to explain what they
did to change the terrain. With retaining walls and double fall lines with landscaping, it all seemed to work. She
does not understand why it cannot be done at this site. In particular, on the side of the building where it goes down
to the street, there is a natural place to have a double fall line. McMichaels said they can drop the building down
but they are trying to maintain {510} for trucks.
Fields said if you cut the pad so it is sloping away and level all around, and drop the building (2’6”), it would seem
the problem goes away. He does not hear the applicants say the grade seems irrelevant. He suggested cutting
the whole thing to {508}. The Commission is saying they do not want to see the bays. He does not hear the
applicants saying that the big trucks need to circulate around the back and the cars need to enter in the front and
they don’t want to mix the traffic. McMichaels said that is what he is trying to say. Fields would like to be clear on
Schwab’s business need and that should be the case the applicant should be making.
Gardiner asked if the public would be entering in and out of the alignment bays. Farrell said employees drive
vehicles driven in and out of the bays. The truck owners drive trucks. It doesn’t matter who is driving. If there is an
unsafe circulation pattern there are going to be accidents.
COMMISSIONERS’ DISCUSSION AND MOTION
Hearn said he is hearing there is still room for approaching this application with an improved plan.
Chapman agreed and feels it is a work in progress. The applicants are saying now that the grading is really not the
problem but the issue of conflict between cars and trucks.
Amarotico concurred with Hearn and Chapman and strongly believes that a licensed designer would make him feel
more confident with what they are being told.
Briggs would hate to see Les Schwab go away because they cannot do this. She would like to see them come
back showing more complete grades and how the trucks move, as well as more complete drawings. The lot is so
long that it seems possible it can work.
McLaughlin said this action can be continued if the applicant agrees.
Kistler is beginning to think that if this does not work because of the conflict between cars and trucks that it might
be best to have the doors facing the front. If he could be sold that something was happening in the front that was a
lot more significant and then push the building further back, he would be willing to consider that. He would like to
recommend an architect look at the project. There is something missing on aesthetics.
Fields said we are missing the rest of the streetscape. The issue he sees is Ashland Street. This is our service
end of town. You create a parking lot right on the street because you have engine grease, cars idling, and it is
unsafe to walk. That is why the Commissioners want to move the building forward. It gives a buffer from the street
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and creates a streetscape. He understands the applicants’ need, however, it is not compelling enough to approve.
Morris said there are a lot of unknowns as to how this is going to look. He would like more detail and more thought
on how things operate.
Gardiner said he personally deals with car and truck conflict. He did not get a feel for the flow of the project. He
would like to see the applicants try to tie the new structure with the old structure so they can see the flow. He
asked that they try to use the ideas by Staff and the Commission.
Farrell said it is not the conflict but the grade. She agreed to a continuance and waived the 120 day rule.
McMichaels does not know how they can display to the Commission how their business functions.
Gardiner said the applicants’ testimony gave little indication that Ashland Street is an important part of the
community. Can they find a way to make our ordinances work for their business so it will for us too. He would like
to see them come back with either a more comprehensive plan of why it will not work and possibly take their ideas
a little further.
Briggs suggested they make a sandbox to scale with cardboard boxes and little cars that would give the
Commissioners a visual. The drawings are not doing it. She does not understand why they keep saying this is
impossible.
Kistler said if the front-loaded design is the only way they can go, he would like to see a lot more depth and more
mitigation in landscaping and design.
Hearn explained that Ashland Street is the entrance to our town. Even if it does not meet every detail, he would
like to see some mitigation.
Kistler asked if they would be willing to have an architect look at the project. McMichaels said they would be willing.
Farrell agreed to a two month continuance and to come back to the November 14, 2000
regular meeting.
PLANNING ACTION 2000-081
REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CONVERT FOUR EXISTING APARTMENTS TO
SEASONAL TRAVELER’S ACCOMMODATIONS FROM JUNE 15 TO OCTOBER 15 FOR THE PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 130 HARGADINE.
Site Visits and Ex Parte Contacts - Site visits were made by all. John Fields had an ex parte contact with Philip
Thormahlen about selling his house.
STAFF REPORT
Molnar reported this application is subject to a Conditional Use Permit and Variance. Notice was mailed to the
affected property owners.
There are six apartment units in this complex. There is a four-plex orienting towards Hargadine. There is a parking
area that is accessed off South Pioneer. The traveler’s accommodation would operate June 15th through October
15th and then revert back to month-to-month rentals the remaining eight months. The duplex behind the four-plex
would house the business manager and the other unit is proposed for long-term rental. There is also a request for
a Variance. Under the Traveler’s Accommodation ordinance, the properties are required to be within 200 feet of a
city collector or arterial street. The closest arterial street is Main Street that is approximately 400 feet away.
There is some history of similar applications for the site dating back in the mid-1980’s. Both of the applications
were denied. The past denials emphasized the loss of rental housing. In the late 80’s there were similar problems
that Ashland is facing today in terms of a low vacancy rate and high cost of housing and a limited supply of low and
moderate rental housing. In both cases, the Commission stated in their findings that the Variance was not
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warranted because the loss of rental housing conflicted with the City’s Housing Element calls for providing a wide
range of housing.
The same concerns still exist with this application. There are doubts as to the uniqueness of this property. The
application raises issues regarding the impacts that have developed on this corner due to the increased vitality of
the downtown including increased traffic and more parking demands in the area. The property owners feel this has
affected the marketability of the rental units to a wide range of individuals and their market tends to be more the
SOU student population. This would allow the property owner to still rent the units during eight months out of the
year and convert to traveler’s accommodations the rest of the year. There are many residential units near and
around the downtown that are located to the commercial areas and yet in excess of 200 feet of an arterial. The
people that live in and around the downtown live there for a reason, primarily because it provides a different
housing type. The proposed use would be only seasonal, Staff’s concern as well as the concerns of the Historic
Commission is the practicality of operating a business and then going to eight-month rental units. The SOU
academic years runs late September to the middle of June. The seasonal use of the traveler’s accommodation will
run through October 15th. How would that transition work and not over time creep into more of a traveler’s
accommodation function with those units slowly being removed from the rental market?
Staff does not see a clear public benefit of a traveler’s accommodation. In the past, generally a traveler’s
accommodation application might include a renovation of a historic building. In this case, these are apartments.
Staff has added four Conditions if the Commission chooses to approve the application. Molnar passed out Historic
Commission minutes. They unanimously recommended denial due to the degradation of the mixed use area and
stated the application does not meet the Comprehensive Plan criteria for affordable housing. It would set a
precedent for other properties in the area. A map was handed out showing properties adjoining a downtown
commercial area but are in excess of 200 feet from an arterial or collector.
PUBLIC HEARING
MIKE LANIER, Richard Stevens Co., 211 Genessee Street, Medford, OR, handed out a packet. Most of his
testimony was a review of this packet. He introduced JEANNETTE WILCOX. This application would allow his
client to change, in a very small way, the way she rents the property. There will be no changes except some
upgrading of the landscaping. It is not the role of the city how a person operates their business. They chose a
window from June 15th to October 15th so people can move in and out of the units reasonably because the month-
to-month rental is almost exclusive to the SOU student body. With regard to the map handed out by Staff, almost
every house above Hargadine is a boarding or rooming house or was at one time. This has always been a rental
area.
Lanier said they meet all the criteria for the traveler’s accommodation section of the ordinance except for the
proximity of the project to an arterial or collector. These four units are not going to be a significant impact on the
housing in Ashland. They will probably generate less traffic than if they are rental units. He has letters from
surrounding property owners supporting this application.
With regard to the Variance, Lanier believes the location, age, characteristics and size, combined with the existing
market (long and short-term) are conditions that do not typically apply elsewhere in the City.
MARTY LEMPKE, 1335 Prospect Street, President of the Board of Directors of OSF, stated they are supporting the
applicant in this application. She read a letter from Paul Nicholson supporting the application.
LARS SVENSGARD, 183 Vista Street, said he is a neighbor and the neighborhood is multi-family residential. He is
personally acquainted with the residents of Windsor Arms. They are not college students and they are upset about
losing their homes. The impact cannot be discounted too strongly by shifting it to a different kind of function. The
parking in their neighborhood is abysmal. What if someone shows up at the traveler’s accommodation with a RV?
There would be no parking. Overnight lodging generates late night entering and early exiting. They are in an
amphitheater situation and cars coming and going will be amplified. He submitted letters from three neighbors.
This is a place where people live. He is here representing the neighborhood. If this is approved, it will creep up the
hill. It will become a Shakespeare annex. He urged the Commission to turn this application down.
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COLIN SWALES, 461 Allison Street, said he agrees with both sides. He is just looking for a level playing field and
that everyone should be treated equally and fairly. He would like the Commission to withhold their opinion until after
the OSF appeal is over.
SHARON THORMAHLEN, owner of the property, said if the Commission is concerned about precedent, there is an
additional uniqueness to this property. Their streets are barricaded which limits access to their property. Are any
of these other streets barricaded? The Green Show is more amplified and more of a show than in the past and it
impacts all the surrounding properties. There are going to be conflicts in trying to recapture the residential qualities
of that property during the summer.
Rebuttal
Lanier said while he understands those in opposition, these units are old and small. They are available to a fairly
limited scope of tenancy. Wilcox manages 70 other units and would be able to take care of displaced renters. This
is not a significant change in use and meets the criteria for a variance and CUP . The site is impacted by off-site
uses. The traffic impacts will probably be less.
Chapman asked Lanier what Staff and the Historic Commission have missed. Lanier explained that he has just
become involved in the application. Wilcox was probably not prepared when testifying before the Historic
Commission.
COMMISSIONERS’ DISCUSSION AND MOTION
Hearn sees the logic of a lot of the arguments Lanier made. However, the Commission hears comments about
affordable housing in Ashland and the “Aspenization” of Ashland. With a one percent vacancy rate, it is hard to
justify removing this place from the rental inventory.
Amarotico and Chapman mentioned Jon Warren’s application on Helman and Central. The Commissioners felt that
if they approved that application it would have meant turning the corner that would start coming into a residential
neighborhood. Is this the point at which the neighborhood feels infringed upon?
Fields said if we approve this application, it could run a certain segment of the population out of town. It’s going to
be tough with growth to stop it, but someday there will be another application down the road. It is an erosion and it
is a “giving” (instead of a “taking”) and Fields sees it as a loss.
Gardiner is reluctant to approve because of the reduction in inventory.
Hearn moved to deny PA2000-081. Fields seconded. The motion carried unanimously to deny.
OTHER
- McLaughlin announced Oregon Planning Institute will be held in Eugene October 5-6th. Anyone
interested in attending should call the Planning office.
ADJOURNMENT
- The meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
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