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ASHLAND PLANNING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
June 8, 1983
I. CALL TO ORDER: 7:30 PM, Civic Center, 1175 E. Main St., Ashland, Oregon
II. APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND FINDINGS ANU ORDERS: Meeting of May 25, 1983
III. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
A. PLANNING ACTION #83 -41 is a request for a Zone Change and Comprehensive
Plan Designation Change for 4 parcels located from the NE corner of
Siskiyou Blvd. and Mountain Ave. to the alley on the east. The pro-
posed changes are to C- 1(Retail Commercial) zoning and Commercial Compre-
hensive Plan designation. Comprehensive Plan designation: Multi family
Residential. Zoning: R -2 (Multi family, Low Density Residential).
Assessor's map 10CB. Tax lots: 6400, 6500, 6600, 6700.
APPLICANTS: Sandra Proebstel, et al
B. PLANNING ACTION #83 -44 is a request for a Site Review for a proposed
2 -story addition to the rear of the existing fire station at 455 Siski-
you Blvd. The addition will provide sleeping quarters. Comprehensive
Plan Designation: Commercial. Zoning: C -1 (Commercial). Assessor's
map 9AC. Tax lot 15300
APPLICANT: City of Ashland Fire Department
C. PLANNING ACTION #83 -47 is a request for preliminary approval of a 24
unit PUD located south of 536 Ashland St. The project is to be developed
in 4 phases at undetermined intervals. Comprehensive Plan designation:
Single family residential /Low density residential. Zoning: R- 1;10P/
RR -.5P. Assessor's map 16AB. Tax lot 2100.
APPLICANT: Ed /Joann Houghton
D. PLANNING ACTION #83 -48 is a request for a Conditional Use Permit, Site
Reveiw and Ordinance Variance for the use of the auditorium portion of
the existing structure at 777 E. Main ST. for various classes. The owner's
living quarters are in the rear of the building. The Variance is re-
quired for no provision of on -site, off street parking; 5 spaces will
be provided on the Safeway parking lot. Comprehensive Plan designation:
Multi family residential. Zoning: R -2 (Low density, Multi- family Resi-
dential). Assessor's map 9AC. Tax lot 9500.
APPLICANT: Donna Eden
IV. TYPE I PLANNING ACTIONS:
A. PA #83 -49, Minor Land Partition at the SW corner of Otis Willow Sts.
V. STAFF BUSINESS:
A. Study Session 6- 22 -83, joint with CPAC /CC re: SW Rezone
B. Field trips 6/10 6/17
C. Quarry /Satellite Antennae draft Ordinances
VI. ADJOURNMENT
MINUTES
ASHLAND PLANNING COMMISSION
June 8, 1983
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called at 7:35 p.m. by Vice Chairman Don Greene.
Members present were Tom Owens, Mary Ann Alston, Ethel Hansen,
Michael Slattery and Betty Lou Dunlop. Also present were Planning
Director John Fregonese, Associate Planner Steve Jannusch and
Administrative Secretary Ann Baker.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND FINDINGS AND ORDERS
The Minutes and Findings and Orders of the May 25, 1983 meeting were
approved as written.
PUBLIC HEARING
PA #83 -41
ZONE CHANGE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN
DESIGNATION CHANGE
SANDRA PROEBSTEL, ET AL
PLANNING ACTION #83 -41 is a request for a Zone Change and Comprehen-
sive Plan Designation Change for 4 parcels located from the NE corner
of Siskiyou Blvd. and Mountain Ave. to the alley on the east. The
proposed changes are to C -1 (Retail Commercial) zoning for tax lot
6400 and Commerical Comprehensive Plan designation for all parcels.
Comprehensive Plan designation: Multi family Residential. Zoning:
R -2 (Multi- family, Low Density Residential). Assessor's Map
10CB. Tax lot #'s: 6400, 6500, 6600, 6700.
APPLICANTS: Sandra Proebstel, et al
STAFF REPORT
1) Jannusch gave the Staff Report.
2) Owens asked whether condition #2 would be a normal condition
under the Site Review Chapter at the time of development. Jannusch
noted that this was true, but it was Staff's intent to let the
applicants know this information at the onset of this application.
At this point, the public hearing was opened.
PUBLIC HEARING
1) Craig Stone, 708 Cardley, Medford, Planning Consultant for the
applicant, spoke on behalf of the applicants. He explained the
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findings that he had submitted for the application noting that all
the parcels are presently fully developed with existing structures
and that changes to the site would probably be internal and pursuant
to the Site Review approval. He stated that Siskiyou Blvd. is a good
arterial, fully developed and adequate to handle any additional
traffic generated, which would be minimal in this proposal. He noted
also that Siskiyou has an improved bikeway. One of the primary find-
ings exhibited was the noise problem on the corner and Stone cited
the Municipal Code referring to decibel readings allowable adjacent
to a residential structure. The decibel readings taken on tax lot
6400, which is at the corner of Siskiyou and Mountain exceeded those
standards allowable for residences both on the outside of the struc-
ture and on the inside. His contention was that the excessive noise
level at the site represents a public nuisance and therefore inval-
idates the existing zoning. He felt that the property was not suited
for offices either since such a development would require a more
quiet atmosphere. He then read a letter from Ms. Pam Swap who had
been a renter, stating that her reasons for moving from the location
was because of the noise. He further noted that the vacancy rate
over the past 27 months has been 28
2) Slattery asked Stone whether any businesses had been anticipated
for the sites under study stating that he felt access directly off of
Siskiyou, particularly for tax lot 6500 is impossible. Stone re-
sponded by noting that the access to 6400 is directly off Mountain
Ave, while the other three properties access directly off the
Boulevard. He felt that any commercial use of the small duplex would
only generate a minimal increase in traffic. He stated that the
applicant has a potential tenant who would
rent outdoor recreational equipment and utilize the existing garage
for storage
3) Teri Vait, CPAC member, stated that at the meeting of June 7, 1983, CPAC
had recommended granting approval of the request with a vote of 8 -1,
due to the noise level and the proximity to the High School.
4) Ron James, 837 East Main St., Medford, stated that he was an
affected property owner, specifically of tax lot 6701, across the
alley from the proposal. He stated that he felt that the future use
of these properties along the north side of Siskiyou would be commer-
cial rather than residential and was hoping to include those pro-
perties between the alley and Palm Street as a part of this proposal.
Fregonese responded by noting that an additional area would need to
be noticed in terms of the affected property owners. He stated that
this addendum could not be discussed at this point. James stated
that he was aware of this and that he would be back at a later time
with his own application.
5) Mary Ann Olson, 279 Palm St., stated that there are four lots for
sale next door to her. She felt that approving this proposal would
be bad for her neighborhood since it would be opening up the area for
more changes. She stated that when she had bought the property that
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it was zoned residentially and that the zoning would be the protec-
tion for her and her family. She cited subsection C under permitted
uses of the retail commercial district and stated that she did not
desire to have eating, drinking and entertainment establishments at
this location. She also felt that it would be appropriate to nego-
tiate with the High School to reroute the buses.
6) Jannusch read a letter from Don Cowan into the record.
At this point, the public hearing was closed.
COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND MOTION
1) Owens stated that he felt the applicant had made a good case for
the proposed changes. He also felt that the proposal as expressed by
James should not be reviewed at this point.
2) Hansen expressed concern about the limited yard space available
with these properties. She felt that great care should be taken to
retain the residential character of the area when the sites are
developed to ensure the beauty of the Boulevard. Such controls
should be exercised at the Site Review when the parcels are de-
veloped. She noted that perhaps a combination residential and busi-
ness district should be developed here. Fregonese noted that this
has been done in other areas and that since this is a part of the
Historic District, that Historic District guidelines can help reg-
ulate proposed developments. He stated his doubts as to whether
these structures would ever be demolished.
3) Slattery reiterated his concerns about the traffic hazards back-
ing off of the parcels onto Siskiyou. He stated that the chiroprac-
tor's office recently reviewed by the Planning Commission is a good
addition to the area and noted that professional offices in his
opinion would be more appropriate than retail. He wondered whether
there would be provision for off street parking in the rear.
4) Fregonese stated that there is no access in some cases to the
rear of the parcels. He stated that the Planning Commission could
require an easement to the rear, accessing off the alley. He further
noted that if the Planning Commission did not like the idea of com-
mercial uses, that the Zone Change should not be granted. Jannusch
concurred, stating that only tax lot 6500 is the one with an access
problem to the rear of the parcel. 6400 has access off of Mountain
Street while 6600 and 6700 are accessed via the alley.
5) Slattery reiterated that by permitting a C -1 application to this
property, it would be opening Pandora's Box. He felt that the in-
creased densities had been steadily creeping south for a number of
years. Fregonese noted that, in fact, this area had been recently
downzoned from R -3 to R -2.
6) Stone stated that he had not prepared an actual site plan for the
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parcels east of 6400. He felt that by requiring an easement, one
parking stall might be lost and if this were the case, a Variance
might be necessary for four stalls in lieu of the five stalls re-
quired for commercial development on 6400. Fregonese felt that the
requirement for an easement could be a condition of approval at the
time the Site Review application is made. Greene concurred, stating
that at this time, such an easement could tie into the alley. Stone
then showed the Commission a possible plan for parking areas and the
easement that would be necessary to access the facility.
7) After further discussion, Hansen moved to approve Planning Action
#83 -41 with the staff recommendations and to add the conditions that
at the time of development of tax lot 6400 or 6500 that access will
not be provided off of Siskiyou Blvd. That an easement be provided
across tax lot 6400 and 6500 for access to the alley at the time of
development of these parcels. That all subsequent development be
subject to review and approval by the Historic Commission. Alston
seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous to approve the propo-
sal.
PUBLIC HEARING
PA #83 -44
SITE REVIEW
CITY OF ASHLAND FIRE DEPARTMENT
PLANNING ACTION #83 -44 is a request for a Site Review for a proposed
2 -story addition to the rear of the existing fire station at 455
Siskiyou Blvd. The addition will provide sleeping quarters. Compre-
hensive Plan designation: Commercial. Zoning: C -1 (Commercial).
Assessor's map 9AC. Tax lot 15300.
APPLICANT: City of Ashland Fire Department
STAFF REPORT
1) Fregonese presented the Staff Report noting that this Planning
Action had been called up from a Type I hearing by the Planning
Commission. He reviewed the application and noted on the Site Plan
where proposed landscaping would be installed then turning to the
north elevation, he noted the proposed changes and outlined the
purposes for the second story addition and the treatment of the
elevation. At this point, the public hearing was opened.
PUBLIC HEARING
1) Dan White, representing the Fire Department, spoke on behalf of
the application. He explained to the Commission that the second
floor would be six inches below the tops of the windows. From this
point, the floor joists would drop, thus creating a block of flooring
roughly 2/3 up from the bottom of the windows. He said the intention
of the Fire Department was to block in the windows with some type of
attractive material. He stated further that the lower parts of the
windows that were louvered would remain intact.
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2) Greene asked whether the floor levels could be raised. White
stated that they could not, due to the existing height limitation.
3) Alston asked why the applicant would not go to an 8'6" high
ceiling to which White replied that this would not satisfy the
problem of blocking the windows with the floor. Alston asked about
the louvers to which White replied that they would be approximately
18" high. He noted further that the building was not designed as a
Fire House originally and that no matter how much redesigning was
done, the building would still be a garage.
4) Slattery then asked why the windows would be blocked up along the
property line adjacent to Michael's Hamburgers. White responded by
stating that this was a Fire Code requirement.
5) Jannusch explained some of the Historic Commission's concerns
that the second story windows retain some symmetry with the first
story windows and that the stairways be plastered and painted. In
addition, he noted the Historic Commission felt the redwood chevrons
over the windows would not be in keeping with the rest of the build-
ing and suggested blocking the top windows completely with masonry
and leaving the louvered bottoms.
6) Historic Commission Chairperson, Deb Barker, stated that the
symmetry was the primary concern along that elevation. White stated
that the revised plans indicate the necessary revisions.
7) Alston stated that the proposed idea looked terrible. She felt
that the architect should provide alternate suggestions for the
windows. White then stated that budgetary constraints made it neces-
sary to put a low dollar figure on any proposed renovation.
At this point, the public hearing was closed.
COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND MOTION
1) Alston stated that she felt strongly about the necessity to make
the building look attractive even though she understood the financial
crunch.
2) Greene stated that he did not like the idea of blocking in the
windows either. He felt it would be identical to the blocking in of
the windows on the downtown City Hall prior to the remodel.
3) Slattery asked Barker whether the Historic Commission had any
specific ideas to relate to the applicant. Barker stated that in
initial discussion they thought that the applicant should start over
with their design. After discussion with the Fire Department, the
Historic Commissioners only had the suggestions previously noted and
other than that, had no further ideas to express.
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4) Slattery then asked whether it would be appropriate to hold up
the application based on the poor design. Greene did not feel that
this was fair to withhold approval any further. Hansen stated that
she thought it would be appropriate to recommend approval as long as
the Fire Department would work with the Planning Staff.
5) Fregonese stated that he felt the blocking in of the windows with
masonry would be more expensive and would essentially prevent the
remodel from taking place. He suggested that perhaps shutters would
be appropriate to place on the windows. He further stated that the
Planning Commission should possibly give them the option of either
blocking the windows in with masonry and stucco or go to shutters for
the outside of the windows depending on the finances available.
Based on the Planning Commission's recommendation, the Fire
Department could possibly request a transfer of appropriations from
the Council for the extra money it would take to block the windows
with masonry.
6) After further discussion, Slattery moved to approve the
application with the condition that the City first choose to block
the windows up and stucco them and if the cost were prohibitive to go
to shutters. Alston seconded this motion and the vote was unanimous
to approve.
PUBLIC HEARING
PA #83 -47
PRELIMINARY APPROVAL PUD
ED /JOANN HOUGHTON
PLANNING ACTION #83 -47 is a request for preliminary approval of a 24
unit PUD located south of 536 Ashland St. The project is to be
developed in 4 phases at undetermined intervals. Comprehensive Plan
designation: Single family Residential. Zoning: R -1 (Single- family
Residential). Assessor's map 16AB. Tax lot 2100
STAFF REPORT
1) Fregonese gave the Staff Report and suggested amendments. Rela-
tive to condition #1, he felt that it was appropriate to delete this
condition. Relative to condition #2, the option should be given the
applicant to install the road to these specifications with 20' park-
ing bays or to install the road to 28' of width curb -to -curb. Rela-
tive to condition #3, the City Planning Director and Public Works
Director should decide where the location of the Forest Street stub
should be, but that it would not be necessary to have this stub
paved. Only that the applicant should sign in favor of future im-
provements to it. Relative to condition #4, that sidewalks be pro-
vided on one side of Weller Lane upon the development of the lots
throughout the entire length of the street. Relative to condition
#5, that one additional on- street parking space be provided. Rela-
tive to condition #10, that in lieu of four off street parking spaces
provided in the flag drives, that two spaces plus a two -car garage or
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carport be provided. In addition, condition #13 would be to move the
path from the east boundary to be located along the street and condi-
tion #14 that street trees be provided a minimum of one for every 30'
of frontage along Weller Lane. In addition, he read a letter from
Mr. Rodney Badger addressing his concerns about the development and
noted testimony from Mr. Thomas Keevil.
At this point, the public hearing was opened.
PUBLIC HEARING
1) John Chmelir, Engineer for the applicant, 666 Thornton Way,
stated that the owner would develop lot #24 at the time the water
line road was built. At this point, access cannot be achieved from
the remainder of the project. In addition, he noted that lots #4,6
and 18 were the only lots under 10,000 sq.ft. and they are approxi-
mately 9,000 sq.ft. in size. He said although the adjoining property
owners had chosen large lots for their personal use, that the Hough
tons are in fact in conformance with the zoning ordinance. The
additional access is being provided for fire protection. The path-
ways and open space are being proposed as a passive recreation area
rather than active. He stated further that the applicants had held a
neighborhood meeting and the complaints raised were relative to the
stub on Forest Street and the problem with the intersection with
Euclid. He agreed that if the owner was given the option of a 28'
wide right -of -way, that 40 parking spaces would be provided. To
continue, he noted that the proposed alignment with Forest Street
would come to within two feet of Mr. Badger's garage and would neces-
sitate the removal of a beautiful oak tree. He then showed pictures
noting that, in his estimation, the hazard would not be Weller Lane,
but actually Euclid. In addition, he noted that he would prefer to
have alternatives to curb and gutter installation of the road. In
discussing this with the Public Works Director, he would hope to have
the Planning Commission's support of an alternative design for the
drainage. He recognized further that a realignment of Forest Street
would be probably necessary and that Mr. Keevil may agree to relocate
Forest Street. He agreed in addition to eliminate the path along the
east side and would like to construct the sidewalk as each lot de-
veloped.
2) Fregonese noted that street trees would be required on Weller
Lane.
3) Owens asked Chmelir why he was opposed to curb and gutter
installation for the improvements of Weller Lane. Chmelir stated
that admittedly, financial savings would be generated with a lack of
full city standards here, however, that an alternate design would
help ensure the rural character of the neighborhood.
4) Owens then commented on the open space relative to fire
protection and asked whether brush would be removed as a part of the
development. Chmelir said that a trail would be constructed to the
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water line road and that a picnic table would be added again to
create a passive recreational area.
5) Stella Demo, 505 Ashland St., stated that she was not opposed to
the development, but she did have some concerns. These involved the
adequacy of storm sewers and whether or not the public would end up
paying for subsequent storm sewer installations. The second concern
was relative to water pressure for the area. The third concern
related to appropriate fire access for the upper lots. The fourth
concern related specifically to the traffic hazard at the Ashland
Street /Taylor Street intersection. She stated that there is
extremely poor visibility at this location and that there is only a
two -way stop and that most cars don't stop and only a few of them
slow down. Her primary concerns were with kids going back and forth
to school and other pedestrian traffic. She then submitted a written
list expressing these concerns.
6) Phil Gates, 604 Taylor Street, expressed his concern about the
development, noting that it was his understanding that the cul -de -sac
normally cannot go beyond 500' in length and that this would be 800'
in length. Fregonese responded that this was the purpose of the
Forest Street extension to create a loop instead of a long cul -de-
sac. Mr. Gates continued by stating that the traffic hazard along
Ashland Street is intense.
7) Mr. Rodney Badger, 610 Ashland St., then stated his concerns. He
thanked the Planning Commission for dropping the path idea along the
east property line. He noted that this is a lovely setting and felt
that fewer units allowed would help alleviate the problems as expres-
sed in the Staff Report. He said his primary concern was the exten-
sion of Forest Street. When he built his house, the site was chosen
carefully for solar access, panoramic view and other amenities. The
extension of Forest Street would essentially go through his back
deck. He further noted that he would personally chain his body to
Pat Wolfe's oak tree if the bulldozers would threaten it. He sug-
gested that a possibility would be to extend Forest Street between
lots #18 and #19 with the approval of Keevil. He said there was
currently a fire break there and also an existing fire hydrant. He
concluded by noting that he intends on never moving or developing his
property.
8) Mrs. Pat Wolfe, 650 Forest Street, expressed concerns about the
extension of Forest Street. Fregonese explained to Mrs. Wolfe the
planning procedure relative to a project such as this and that final
decision would not be reached at this evening's meeting but only
after a final plan was submitted and at this time, it would be the
best to provide her input.
9) Chmelir stated that he had been in discussion with the water
quality superintendent about the storm sewer on Ashland Street. He
stated that ample facilities were available through an inlet at
Morton Street and also at the bottom right corner of the project. He
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further noted that no water pressure problems existed at the site and
that this information had come from the City.
At this point, the public hearing was closed.
COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND MOTION
1) Slattery congratulated Chmelir for his thorough job. He asked
Fregonese why the recommendation would be to not pay for the
sidewalks and have them installed from the onset. Fregonese stated
at this point, this was standard practice from the City since
individual dwellings would be sited on the lots and that driveway
locations are impossible to predict at this stage of the planning
process.
2) Alston asked why the easement would be provided for the trail if
the adjacent property owners object. Fregonese stated that people
walk there anyway. Alston responded by stating that it is currently
difficult to get to the ditch. Fregonese felt that a long term
solution should be reached rather than a stop gap measure. Alston
then stated that the option of installation of the trail would be
left to the developers. Fregonese felt that this should be
determined by the Planning Commission.
3) Greene questioned how the applicant was going to achieve the
bonus points. He also questioned the five flag lots in the develop-
ment inasmuch as in his opinion it was a poor way to develop property
particularly with the option of Performance Standards. In addition,
he felt that those lots without street frontage could not be legally
platted. Fregonese responded by stating that those lots without
street frontage should be required to have street access but that
common driveways could be provided for the series or clusters of
houses off of those flag drives. In addition, he noted that some
people prefer to live in a rear lot on a development. Greene noted
that by allowing a flag drive to be constructed at the south end of
the cul -de -sac, that this would essentially lengthen the cul -de -sac
to 1,000' in length.
4) Alston stated that she felt that there should be a limit on the
number of units allowed on a cul -de -sac. Fregonese stated that code
prohibits the development of more than 10 dwellings on a dead -end
street, but that the Forest Street stub would eventually create the
loop necessary to alleviate this problem.
5) Greene asked Fregonese what he thought of the proposal to stub
out Forest Street between lots 18 and 19. Fregonese thought that
this may be a good idea, but that further study was necessary before
he could make a proper recommendation either way. Greene then stated
that fire prevention standards should be provided in openspaces.
Fregonese noted that this would be treated as similar projects
before, such as Cooper's relative to fire prevention standards
pursuant to criteria E of the Physical Constraints standards.
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6) Dunlop asked for a point of clarification relative to the
placement of Forest Street between lots 18 and 19. Fregonese
explained, noting that the property owners would be notified at the
time a Type I Hearing was held for the review of the development and
if property owners objected, could appeal to the Planning Commission.
7) Wolfe then asked whether the Planning Commission could move the
dedicated right -of -way around. Fregonese stated that technically, no
right -of -way had been procurred for this specific area, but that a
road could be placed in an alternate location.
8) Greene suggested that the final plan be reviewed as a Type II
Planning Action. The general consensus considered this to be a good
idea.
9) Alston stated that she has no water pressure during the mid
summer months and she lives within close proximity to this
development. Fregonese stated that Alston could be in a different
pressure zone.
10) Slattery expressed concern about the Ashland /Taylor St. inter-
section, feeling that it may be appropriate to make a recommendation
to the Traffic Safety Commission. Fregonese stated that Mrs. Demo
would probably have more input by contacting the Traffic Safety
Commission directly.
11) After further discussion, Owens moved to approve Planning Action
#83 -44 with the amended conditions to include that under item #15
that final approval be subject to a Type II review by the Planning
Commission. Slattery seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous
to approve the Planning Action.
PUBLIC HEARING
PA #83 -48
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SITE
REVIEW AND ORDINANCE VARIANCE
DONNA EDEN
Vice Chairman Greene stepped down due to a conflict of interest as an
effected property owner and turned the chair over to Chairman pro
tem, Tom Owens.
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STAFF REPORT
1) Jannusch gave the Staff Report. In addition, he read a petition
submitted by property owners in the area.
2) Owens asked whether proof of violation would be grounds for
revocation at any point and Fregonese replied, yes.
PUBLIC HEARING
1) Anand Madhu, 162 Fifth St., spoke on behalf of the application.
He stated that he was primarily interested because he wanted to
attend classes there. He further noted that there is a shortage of
rental halls close to town and that this facility would provide such
a place to take classes. He felt that there was ample parking
available on the streets to handle the parking problem. He noted
further the landscaping improvements that would be created by
granting of this proposal and questioned the petition presented by
stating that this is not truly a quiet neighborhood as it abuts East
Main St.
2) Darrell Bluhm, 106 N. 1st St., Talent, stated that he would be an
instructor for Tai Chi and Aikido classes at this facility. His
intention would be to strongly regulate the parking. The very nature
of the classes he teaches encourages harmonious peaceful interrela-
tionships with individuals. The problem created in the past would no
longer be in effect by the proposed use.
3) Don Greene, 375 Normal, stated that he owns property across
Seventh Street and that he sympathizes with the applicant's proposal.
However, he noted that his tenants have been complaining about the
parking problem from traffic generated out of the building. He noted
further that most of the lots in the area are small and that little
on -site parking is available in most places and that by granting of
this Variance, may be impacting the area even further. He stated
further that the hours of operation, specifically evenings and
weekends are not acceptable to him.
4) Owens concurred with Greene's statements noting that night
operations including dance and martial arts may generate quite a bit
of noise particularly during the summer months when the warmer
weather would motivate the applicants to open the windows.
5) Donna Eden, 777 East Main, spoke on behalf of her application.
She stated that it is important to her that noise be kept to a
minimum because this is her place of residence. She further noted
that her proposed curriculum would not include dance or music.
6) Owens asked her to specify what types of classes would be oper-
ating in the facility. Eden stated that she is a teacher of methods
for pain control, further she noted that a majority of her students
are over 50 years of age. In addition, other classes would be
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available in the facility. The primary idea would be to provide more
control over the operation of classes than in the past.
7) Bluhm stated that his classes would be primarily done in the
morning hours involving meditation with quiet stretching and
movements. He stated that the very nature of Tai Chi is silent
exercise. He reiterated his philosophy of desiring to maintain
harmony in his teachings and in his operation of his classes.
8) Leah Stringer, 155 Seventh St., stated that, in fact, there were
20 or 21 signatures on the petition signed by those neighbors who
were in opposition to the proposal. All of those signatures were by
landowners except for two of the individuals. Her primary concern
was fear of what additional activities would be generated in the
future. Relative to the parking problem, she wondered who would be
policing the parking requirements established by staff.
At this point, the public hearing was closed.
COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND MOTION
1) Owens stated that he had some problems with the limitation placed
on the amount of vehicles allowed at the site as enforcing this
requirement would be difficult. Fregonese stated that the intent of
the staff's recommendation was to set a standard for operation where
the conditions would be followed in good faith. He noted further
that if the operators of the facility slipped up just once, the
permit would be subject to revocation. He stated further that meth-
ods could be incorporated including surveillance of the property to
verify the violation when a complaint is received. The other safe-
guard is giving them a year for good behavior at which time the
Planning Commission could once again review the operation to see
whether the conditions have been met.
2) Owens reiterated his concerns about evening operation and felt
that it would be a mistake not to stipulate at this time a curfew for
the operation of classes. Hansen asked whether classes would be
given on a year round basis to which the applicant replied, yes.
3) Fregonese read the discretionary powers of the Planning Commis-
sion in granting a Conditional Use Permit from the Ordinance. The
times of operation could, in fact, be stipulated as a condition of
approval at this time.
4) Owens stated that a letter from Safeway granting the use of the
five parking stalls should not be considered a binding agreement
since Safeway could revoke this license at any time.
5) Slattery stated that he was familiar with the martial arts that
Bluhm had noted he would be instructing and he felt that considerable
noise could be generated from the instruction and practicing of some
of these classes. He then asked Mrs. Stringer when she had heard the
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loud noise from the building. Mrs. Stringer stated that she had not
mentioned anything about the noise. Slattery then recognized that
the noise question had been raised in the letter from Delma Black.
Stringer then stated that there had been some weekends when Saturdays
found classes operating from 9:00 a.m. to the remainder of the day
with cars parked all up and down Seventh Street, particularly in
front of her's and her neighbor's yards. Slattery remarked again
that he felt the primary problem with the granting of this request
would be with the parking problem.
6) Owens pointed out to Slattery that the granting of approval of
this request with the staff's recommendation would mean that the
parking problem would be alleviated.
7) Ann Baker asked the applicant that if her intentions were to move
away for the summer, who would be controlling the operation of the
facility. Eden stated that initially the plans were to have Bluhm be
responsible for the supervision of the classes. She then stated that
her plans had changed and she is intending on staying at the site
this summer. Bluhm then stated that it has been impossible to find
another facility for the conducting of these classes without having
to charge large tuition fees to underwrite the rental of halls.
8) Owens asked the applicant to specify which classes would be in
operation and who would be instructing the classes. Eden stated that
she would be teaching one class from 7:00 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. on
Wednesday nights. Bluhm then stated that his Tai Chi and Aikido
classes would be taught primarily in the evenings til 9:00 p.m. He
further stated that he is a massage therapist and after receiving
accreditation in Oregon, he would begin teaching classes in October.
9) Hansen asked Greene whether he observed any problems with the
classes or the vehicle noise from his property across Seventh Street.
Greene responded by stating that he does not live at this location,
but that his tenants had complained to him about the parking
situation. Hansen suggested that there is considerable noise
generated between classes by vehicles coming and going and that this
is a consideration that the Commission should not ignore.
10) Eden stated that particularly during the summer months, it is
difficult to get classes operating much before 7:00 or 7:30 p.m. in
that students typically do not attend classes offerred at an earlier
hour. Bluhm stated that he would be receptive to time constraints
being applied to the conditions of approval with the request that
consideration be given to some flexibility for the summer hours.
11) Hansen asked Fregonese whether the renewal request could be
established on a six month basis rather than on a twelve month basis.
Fregonese noted that this would be proper.
12) When Eden asked whether additional fees would be assessed for
the renewal, Fregonese stated that none would be necessary for the
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six month review.
13) Alston then asked whether the applicants would be willing to
provide stickers for the vehicles so students could identify which
cars were theirs. The applicants stated that they would be amenable
to this.
14) Owens stated that a curfew would be desirable giving the hours of
9:30 p.m. during the summertime and 9:00 p.m. during the wintertime.
He continued by stating that he was not completely satisfied with the
staff recommendations relative to the parking requirements but he
would be willing to accept them. He stated that he felt it was
necessary to stipulate that no music or loud noises be permitted
beyond the boundaries of the property.
15) After further discussion, Slattery moved to approve the
application with amended conditions that renewal be reviewed within a
six month period and that the noise standards specified by Owens by
applied to the operation of the facility. Specifically that no loud
music or loud noises be permitted beyond the boundary of the
property. Alston seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous to
approve the Planning Action.
TYPE I PLANNING ACTIONS
1) PA #83 -49, Minor Land Partition at the Southwest corner of Otis
Willow Streets. Hal Munson, applicant. As the Commission saw no
need to call this action up, it was approved.
STAFF BUSINESS
1) Fregonese explained what the proposed agenda would be for the
Study Session to be held on June 22, 1983. He then updated for the
Commission the status of the Comprehensive Plan compliance and the
latest suggestions by the LCDC to move those lands within the City
limits designated as Woodland Residential outside the Urban Growth
Boundary as had been originally suggested by the Planning Staff
months before.
2) Fregonese then read a proposed text for the Quarry Ordinance and
the Satellite Antenna Ordinance. He noted as well that the proposal
is to require a Conditional Use Permit within the SO Zone for any
structure over 35' in height.
3) Fregonese suggested that the two gentlemen left in the audience
should have an opportunity to speak on behalf of the satellite
antenna installers to receive some input at this point.
4) Bud Perry operates an antenna installation service out of 1757
Highway 66. He stated that he felt the Ordinance would be
detrimental to the industry. He stated that he desired to have some
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input in the development of this ordinance. He further stated that
in some communities, they were installing satellite systems in lieu
of traditional cable systems in addition, he noted that a 3' dish
simply does not work in the City of Ashland. He then asked for an
explanation of the nonconforming use division proposed for the new
ordinance. Fregonese explained.
5) Perry then questioned how this would affect the telephone company
installation of dishes. Fregonese replied that a Conditional Use
Permit would be required of them as well as they were a public
utility. All dishes would be viewed identically by the proposed
ordinance.
6) Richard Hake, 1100 Clay St., stated that he did not understand
the provision prohibiting the construction of dishes that would be
visible from a public right -of -way. Fregonese explained this. Hake
went on to explain that larger communities such as Los Angeles have
allowed the construction of dishes right in the middle of their large
building complexes. He felt that such an ordinance in Ashland would
be absurd.
7) Fregonese responded by stating that similar ordinances had been
adopted by other cities in the state and he continued by stating that
Los Angeles is rarely used in Ashland as a model for land use
planning. He explained that some individuals have found the
installation of these dishes offensive.
8) Hake then concurrred with Perry in stating that 3' dishes simply
do not work here.
9) Greene stated to both individuals that these concerns should be
addressed at the Study Session to be held on June 22, and at this
time any input would be premature.
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 p.m.
John Fregonese, Executive Secretary
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